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The 88 with 89 back is what I'm referring to. I'll get you guys a pic of just the initial
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When you look at the devices on AME on America, the devices are rounded, not flat. So this is the normal RDV-005 reverse die. On the RDV-006, these devices are flat and wider. That is the "so called" wide variety the grading companies are miss leading collectors with. All 1988 cents are wide AMs. Just total confusion. Look ate the AME area and that will help ID these easier.  Edited by coop
09/12/2021 8:28 pm
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As Cujohn, John, Coinfrog, and Coop have said, Wide AM is on every 1988 Lincoln Cent (even the proofs). That is the design for all coins that year. PCGS and other sites confuse people by using the " Wide AM" as a diagnostic. " Wide AM" as not a diagnostic for any variety in 1988. Using that phrase for any 1988 Lincoln Cent is like saying Lincoln faces right so it is the variety. So in conclusion, No, No, No, that is not a diagnostic for any variety in 1988.Keep on searching. Those RDV-006 are out there (I have yet to locate one from either mint). Quote:There is a recognized variety in 1988 known as the WAM. Again, No, no, no. Not correct. HGK3, can you provide a link to that variety please? Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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The differences in these two RDV numbers can be identified as I mentioned. Probably no one else knows this except for those here, as I discovered it a long time before.
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09/12/2021 9:42 pm
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HGK3, can you provide a link to that variety please? https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...01-rd/569369I agree that the space between the A & M on the 1988 cent is not a diagnostic for this variety and that all 1988 cents show the wide spacing. I also agree that the use of " Wide AM" as a designation is confusing, since the Wide AM itself isn't what identifies the Wide AM variety. As noted in my previous post, the most reliable diagnostic (IMO) is the shape of the FG. However, " Wide AM" is what the industry has chosen to call it, so we're stuck with that name for the variety. We can complain about how confusing the variety's name is (and it is very confusing) but it doesn't change the fact that the 1988 Wide AM is a recognized variety. |
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Yep confusing. I think remembering back 88,89 90ish around those years hearing about the WideAM on 1988. Thinking they're all wide AMs. What's the big deal and why would they point that out only on 1988? Why not mention just about the 89 FG on 88 and then 88FG on 1989?  I see them mentioning the CloseAM on 1992 or Wide on 98,99,2000. |
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Well on the 1988 cent reverses, they RDV-005 were being retired, but they still needed more cents that year. So the New design for the reverse the RDV-006 were to be on the 1989 cents. But they dipped into the dies to early. Thus you have a year variety on those reverses. Most are RDV-005, but some are RDV-006. The differences were the location of the 'FG' initials and also the images above were showing that the design on the RDV-006 were a lot stronger. Thus the images of the IMG areas above. That is the easiest way to find these. Skip the initials locations. Also if you see any of the weaken and distorted initials, move on. They are all RDV-006. The dies did not receive that kind of wear on the RDV-006. See that, move on. Don't strain your eyes. Look for the rounded and flat AME as pictured above to speed up the searches.  Posting it again. |
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Coop, it's not the initials location, it's that they are totally different fonts. And you are right they are all from fresh dies.
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09/13/2021 6:07 pm
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Quote:https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...01-rd/569369I agree that the space between the A & M on the 1988 cent is not a diagnostic for this variety and that all 1988 cents show the wide spacing. I also agree that the use of " Wide AM" as a designation is confusing, since the Wide AM itself isn't what identifies the Wide AM variety. As noted in my previous post, the most reliable diagnostic (IMO) is the shape of the FG. However, " Wide AM" is what the industry has chosen to call it, so we're stuck with that name for the variety. We can complain about how confusing the variety's name is (and it is very confusing) but it doesn't change the fact that the 1988 Wide AM is a recognized variety. Thanks HGK3 for the link. PCGS is doing a dis-service since they don't even mention the Reverse Design as the variety. And PCGS can't even attribute the variety correctly themselves. When clicking the link you provided and then clicking on the "View More Images" (under the main coin), there are images of the regular reverse that they have certified with a certificate number. Sheesh!! Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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The font differences are easier to detect than the initials differences.
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I disagree. The designer's initials are very prominent in their differences between the reverse 005 and 006. I have found several in the wild and I have never looked at the AM to distinguish this variety.
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Posted 09/12/2021 2:57 pm
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
