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Looks like intentional damage - the damage is far too flat (doesn't look rough like it was torn off) Plus some of the jig and jags look too rounded as if done by a Dremel or milling tool.
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PSD. Note the splash marks of metal movement on the lower half of the obverse. If the metal moved, it would not be a strike issue. As the area in question would have the fields.devices shaped to the item struck through and the fields would not be moved. Moved away on the coin always yells out PSD to me.   The design would be contained by the die if it were a mint error. Splash out, gives this one away. PSD. |
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I would remark at this point in the discussion that the specimen's minuscule deviation from full weight would seem to exclude one prior suggestions, this being that the obverse was carved out with a Dremel tool or the like. If the depressed area was due to being struck with something while in circulation, what would that have been to leave such a ragged, irregular shape? I was sort of leaning toward another thought expressed above, that it was struck through some sort of debris that either remained on the die, or if embedded in the surface of the coin later fell off. But I have to concede that conjecture fails to explain how the reverse came to be as it is, which does seem to suggest this is a case of post mint damage, if not in fact a deliberate attempt to deceive by making it appear that there was a large delamination.
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
04/14/2022 2:04 pm
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No Dremel could done this. I stay with an ex-foliation before strike and an wrong mix of alloy. Please analyze the circles R and O, we can see the material structure and this could not be done artificially.  |
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Silviosi Wouldn't a lam this big before the strike take more than .02 gr off the weight?
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@Sivilosi: you rotated the reverse image by 180 degrees. Was that an attempt to show that the reverse damage is related to the damage on the obverse at the bottom of the bust? You need to remember that US coins aren't minted like Canadian coins are (Medal orientation) but in stead are flipped top to bottom. So, the damage on the reverse is actually at the pot of Lincoln's head (an area where there is no damage) So I do not think that the reverse/obverse damage are directly related to each other. I hope that the OP ia still monitoring this topic and can post up close-up images of the reverse side damage, and maybe the obverse that silviosi circled. I still think that this is intentional mechanical damage. |
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Thanks for the additional images - they are just GREAT!
I'll have a better look when I get home from work.
Edited by Dearborn
04/15/2022 12:54 pm
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A couple of remarks at this juncture.
First of all, for the weight to be what it is, the metal that normally would have filled that chasm across the obverse would've had to have been almost entirely displaced rather than removed.
Second, and I hadn't noticed this until I generated the close ups, I think I can see a ghostly trace of Abe's bearded chin in that recessed area. I can also make out a faint "S" and "T" where they ought to be to complete the word "TRUST".
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
04/15/2022 2:27 pm
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@Lucky Cuss. I thought I noticed when I pulled up a closeup of your original picture. Looks like the ST, beard and small amount of the (coat/Lapel?)  |
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Even though I'd imagine it'd take a tremendous amount of pressure to generate such a depressed area on the obverse, could this be some sort of "vise job"?
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
04/16/2022 5:48 pm
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Lucky, can you check to see if this coin is circular or it of round please?
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I agree with those who've concluded that this is post-strike damage. In addition to the points raised earlier, notice how the design rim is flattened at 1:30.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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This coin was struck properly, and someone pressed an object into this coin making the 'canyon' we see. You can see what is left of Lincoln's shoulder, his beard, and the 'ST' of trust. Also note as Mr. Diamond noted the rim is also crushed.   |
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...can you check to see if this coin is circular From top to bottom & side to side I get measurements of 19.0 mm, while measuring from one end of the depressed area to the other, as well as perpendicular to it, I come up with 19.1 mm. It does go into a direct fit air-tite. Quote:
This coin was struck properly, and someone pressed an object into this coin making the 'canyon' we see. Then this would seem to be a case of somebody trying to create an "error" coin. Colligo ergo sum
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