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Two Seated Liberty Dollars - Grade And Advice

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 Posted 05/07/2022  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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When the op removes the remnant adhesive from that first coin, won't there likely be differential toning where that tape had previously protected the surface from oxidation?


Good chance of that happening, but it's better than getting a details grade due to adhesive or organic material all over the surfaces, plus getting the glue residue off now prevents further damage over time.
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 Posted 05/07/2022  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list
Both are XF45
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 Posted 05/08/2022  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list
Great coins.
Is it not possible to remove the glue with running water, yes it is much longer in time, but I think this is a more gentle option.
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getting the glue residue off now prevents further damage over time.


Ok yep that is a great point. Thx.
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 Posted 05/08/2022  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
removal of the tape will most likely result in a lighter area than the rest of the coin but will conserve it from any future issues. the 46 has a rim hit at K1. I'm not sure if its bad enough to details the coin. theres probably enough value there to slab and conserve them. you need to be happy with the thought that both could be come back as details.

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 Posted 05/08/2022  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adcoins1 to your friends list
Thank you for the evaluations. What exactly does "details mean", in the context of the coins value?
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 Posted 05/08/2022  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Details means it is a problem coin. If it is sent in to a grading company, then it would return in a "details" holder, or a holder without a specific grade. The problem is usually identified on the holder such as cleaned, whizzed, or environmental damage.

Value wise, a problem coin is worth less than a non problem coin. It depends on the severity of the problem. Your coins aren't too bad, although the rim ding is very distracting.
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 Posted 08/29/2022  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adcoins1 to your friends list
I just received the coins back from NGC, and they were given an AU-details (cleaned) grade (images below).

Is that considered a good grade, because it's AU, or a bad grade, because it's "cleaned". Any idea of the value they might hold?

Thank you
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Thanks for the update, I feel that is a fair grade on both of them. Not the most ideal outcome, but not really any other chance of a call other than details. AU is better than EF/XF grades even with the detail applied. It will likely bring a lower price when you go to sell them if that is the intention. But they are still nice looking coins never less, and desirable to collectors.
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 Posted 08/29/2022  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Do some research on Heritage to see past sales of these dates in similar grades. The "cleaned" designation will definitely reduce their value.
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Is that considered a good grade, because it's AU, or a bad grade, because it's "cleaned". Any idea of the value they might hold?


It's bad because it's details - cleaned. The devices on both coins appear too bright and I agree with the cleaned designation.

The value to many people would be about half of problem-free retail.

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 Posted 08/29/2022  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Go to NGC price guide here https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide.../dollars/47/
Click on each date, for example the 1842 is here https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explor...1-ms/?des=ms
Scroll down to the "grade summary" and then over to the "50" column. You will see past auction prices for AU50, which is where NGC also shows sales with an "AU Details" grade. At the bottom of that column you can then click "view all" for more results. There you can get thumbnail images of those coins or click directly to the auction, and see how yours compares with others as far as how bad the "details" are.

Both your dates in AU Details have sold in the $500 range in the past, but it's all relative.
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These coins look different from the original photos. The residue is gone, but so is the darker toning. Coins definitely look cleaned in the new pictures. Thank you for the update.
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Even cleaned they still have nice eye appeal.
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Even cleaned they still have nice eye appeal.


How ever, these these coins could re-tone/get a better patina over time. They would have to be out of the holders though, which would take away the guarantee and grade from NGC. A risk not many people would want to take on a hunch I suppose.

I keep a few silver dollars on a velvet pad and they usually turn to a rose goldish pink (best case scenario) or a dull brown (not so great). It does take 18 to 24 months minimum, each side. But in a way they don't look so cleaned or bright any longer. Not that I'm advocating that, it may be an option for coins that have been cleaned or look unnaturally white.
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