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2019 Washington Quarter, Some Kind Of Error Or Just Damage?

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 Posted 01/12/2023  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
Yes quite interesting with the reverse devices missing around the entire perimeter as mentioned but also the date looks struck a bit higher (although I didnt adjust the slight rotation of the image) which hints at more going on than a Struck Through Grease for example.

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01/12/2023 7:36 pm
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 Posted 01/12/2023  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
What does the edge look like? I got nothing.
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 Posted 01/12/2023  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
Seems similar to:

This 2008-P Andrew Jackson dollar coin did not receive a full strike. Insufficient ram pressure (applied tonnage) or insufficient die approximation are the culprit in this case. This error is often erroneously called "a die adjustment strike". (Weak strike).

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Weak strikes are sometimes confused with grease strikes - coins that are struck through a heavy layer of compacted die fill. It's actually quite easy to tell the two errors apart.

A weak strike will show a poorly developed or absent design rim. A grease strike will show a very well-developed design rim.
A weak strike will retain some, most, or all of the planchet's original proto-rim. The proto-rim is erased in a grease strike.
A weak strike will retain the beveled rim/edge junction of the planchet. The bevel will be lost in a grease strike.
The edge will be weakly struck and relatively narrow in a weak strike. The edge will be tall and vertical in a grease strike.
Reeding will be weak or absent in a weak strike. Reeding will be very strong in a grease strike.
In a weak strike, extent and pattern of weakness will be essentially the same on both faces. Uneven weakness is a hallmark of most grease strikes. https://www.error-ref.com/?s=weak+strike
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 Posted 01/12/2023  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
Data, do you have a pic of the reverse? I would think a weak strike would affect both sides.
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 Posted 01/12/2023  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
Heres the reverse, I mentioned it only because it reminded me of that look of the missing devices around the entire perimeter. But a weak strike is mentioned as above says "In a weak strike, extent and pattern of weakness will be essentially the same on both faces" which is why I said similar to instead since it mentions both sides.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gigi2110 to your friends list
Thank you all!
Can Mr @coop see my post and let me know if he have some additional information about what happened to this coin please? Or can you give me some advice on what can I do to figure out if this is an error?
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 Posted 01/13/2023  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Might need coops and Mikes input on this.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gigi2110 to your friends list
Thanks @John I'm waiting for them!
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 Posted 01/13/2023  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
1. Well it can't be a Grease Fill issue, as the devices are raised on the die. (incuse on the coin)
2. Weight might help. If the planchet was thin or altered, it would be under in weight:
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5.67 grams would be normal weight with a tolerance of +/- .19 grams. So an accurate weight would be helpful.
3. I'm seeing an disturbance on obverse on the planchet near the rim area, that is also seen on the reverse partly.Which makes me think it was damage post strike. (Note how just the upper part of the date is showing? The lower part is missing and a line is present there. (Which says to me that it could be an altered coin issue.
4. Are the reeds showing on the outside edge of the coin? Can't tell on the images provided.
5. Is the outside diameter same as another coin, or larger?
So these answers to these question will help Mike Diamond when he checks. Just the first time for me to see anything like this. So when we get these answers, we can call Mike in on this one.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gigi2110 to your friends list
Thank you Coop, I tried my best to upload better images of the coin, but my microscope does not help as I wish. The coin weight is 5.66, I want to apologize, because I know I uploaded to much images but I want you can have a better look at the coin.

Coop I'm new at this hubby the only question of all you asked the only answer I know is the weight of the coin sorry. I hope you can see and find the answer you want to know.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gigi2110 to your friends list
Mr @Coop thank you for your time and help, I just want to let you know that one uploaded some pics to see that it can help to answer some of the question you ask, also this is another pic with the coin side to side with another 2019 war coin
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 Posted 01/14/2023  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
It almost has to be damaged. How do you explain the obverse and why have we never seen anything like that. I don't know the specifics like Mike will but use logic. To me the obverse looks "spooned".
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 Posted 01/14/2023  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gigi2110 to your friends list
Thank you @Willburton! YouTube opinion is appreciated! I'm new at this but, I have been watching a lot of videos, about error that you can easily mistaking as damage, but then PCGS give a name to those errors, thats why I dont giving up with this coin, and figure out if it is an error or not. A lot of people can mistaking some error as damaged, but it's not, I don't say that my coin is an error but I can't put away without know what's going on. As I said thank you, your and everybody opinion is always appreciated.
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 Posted 01/14/2023  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
This quarter was mechanically altered/damaged outside the Mint. I can't tell you exactly what was done to it, but its appearance is incompatible with any known mint mishap.
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 Posted 01/14/2023  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gigi2110 to your friends list
Thank you so much Mr Mike, I appreciated you take your time help me to find out whats wrong with this coin. Have a good night!
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