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1878 Morgan Dollar 7 Feather Type 2 Double Tail Feathers

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 Posted 02/14/2023  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Check VAM 37.
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 Posted 02/17/2023  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
Is there anyway I could possibly communicate with someone via email that knows about VAM varieties. I have found some things on my Morgan that I can't find listed in any of the varieties for 7/8 TF 7/4. I have taken some up close pictures of these items but can't get them down to 300kb without loosing clarity of the pictures. When I joined I had clicked the box for people to be able to communicate with me via email. If this is possible, please email me and place MSD VAMS as the subject please. Hopefully I can hear from someone and we can discuss my coin. Thanx
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 Posted 02/18/2023  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
I clicked on your profile, but it shows you "do not" want to receive emails. You'll need to fix that before we can communicate. It may be related to your post count. Check the rules first.
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 Posted 02/18/2023  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
I am almost positive this is VAM 37 as the markers appear to match. (am a newbie at this and have spent hours and hours looking at this coin) But I have found an S mint mark between the G in GOD and the A in STATES. I can't find anything showing this as part of VAM 37. I can see it with my loupe and microscope. I am having trouble getting a clear picture of this to post here. Every time I cut it down to 300kb I lose clarity in the pic. Have tried at least 25 different ways of getting a pic of this at 300kb. Will continue to try, but would love to have someone accept an email pic from me to confirm what I see. Does anyone know if there is VAM with a mint mark in this location?
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 Posted 02/18/2023  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
Yes it says new members do not have the ability to email. sigh guess I will keep trying to take pics. If this is confirmed would it be a new variety or how would it be classfied?
Thanx SeatedNut for your reply
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 Posted 02/18/2023  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
see how clear this is. struggling with this
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 Posted 02/18/2023  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
After rereading, I should have said an S that mimics the style of a mint mark S. It is smaller than a mint mark.
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 Posted 02/22/2023  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
hmmmm.no comments on the S ?
I have found extra metal between the leaves of the olive branch that I can't find listed in any of the VAM varieties for 7/8 TF 7/4. Is anyone familiar with an olive branch that has this additional metal?

Hopefully the picture won't be to bad. Getting some different lighting for future pics.
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 Posted 02/23/2023  07:03 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Looks like SeatedNut has got you squared away on this one. Did you look at VAM-37? It has the correct reverse die but could also be VAM-36, it has a different obverse die. From what I can tell from your pics, it would appear to be VAM-37. Not sure what you are fighting with on this.

VAM-36 http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...878-P_VAM-36

VAM-37 http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...878-P_VAM-37
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 Posted 02/24/2023  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
Am by no means fighting. There are two things that are different on my coin versus vam37. On the obverse the E in ONE is doubled to the right with the strongest plaice being at the upper serif and can also be seen inside the E below the middle serif at the backside of it (being a doubling of the upright post of the E). The upper serif is a raised area outlined by the dirt that is seen in the original picture. Also right above the E is a die chip above the second leaf tip of the wreath.
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 Posted 02/24/2023  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
It also appears that I may have a doubled star 5 right. On the roughly south side. It's either an extra point or a die chip. I am leaning towards a point, based on loupe viewing and other pictures I was taking in the sun when my phone went dead. Attached is an existing photo I had. Will check my new pictures when phone charges and see if I can crop something to 300kb.

Also I have questions about the die chips it states are around D W E U (IGWT). I can't find any pictures of these. On the letters O W E on my coin I have solid raised lines that run the length of the bottom of the letters. Is this to be considered die chips?

I also have extra metal below first T in trust. A die chip possibly? Also at the bottom on the N in IN there appears to be extra metal.
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 Posted 02/24/2023  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Die chips generally have nothing to do with VAM assignment. They are common on Morgan dollars.

If you feel you have a new variety that deserves further research, the best option is to post your images at VamWorld. That's where new varieties are assigned. The experts over there can tell you if they would consider looking at the coin in more detail.
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 Posted 02/24/2023  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
I am new at all of this. I was just wondering about what the die chips look like by those letters. Maybe what I am seeing on the bottom of the letters is DDD or MD or is the die chips they speak of or something else. I surely have no idea. Was lookin for help with those. I definitely have raised metal by the E in ONE that is the shape of the upper serif of the E. And the possible extra point on star 5. Just things I have seen while I was looking at my coin.

So if the die chips are not relevant, why are they listed in so many different VAM descriptions I have read?

Anyone live in south central PA that is knowledgeable about vams, that would want to meet a new member and look at my coin with me? If it's a new variety, I will share the "discovered by" with you. I am just a 66year old grandpa, that is freshly retired. I will gladly pay some $$$ if need be.

Thanx everyone for your replies.
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 Posted 02/24/2023  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
Just read the explanations for what is eligible for new varieties. Didn't realize that was there. It explained the die chips that you spoke of -makescents- thanx again for your advice, replies and time
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 Posted 02/24/2023  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list
Bump111 not -makescents- . Sorry Bump. Playin the Candyland board game with my 4 year old granddaughter when I was replying. Didn't multitask well. lol
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