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1986 D Lincoln Zinc Plating Missing

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 Posted 02/17/2023  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list
Adding zinc back over the copper makes alot of sense!
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 Posted 02/17/2023  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
There seems to be some luster remaining on the unplated portion of this cent leading me to believe it is a genuine error. Nice example if it is legit.
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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 02/17/2023  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
I agree if this is legitimate it is a one of a kind and awesome coin! But that does sound a little too good to be true.
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 Posted 02/17/2023  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
If the copper was removed, you 'should' be able to feel the transition from existing copper down to the zinc layer. If zinc was added, just the opposite, there should be a transition up to the zinc from the copper layer.
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 Posted 02/17/2023  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danjor to your friends list

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I really don't like the gradient between plated and non-plated sections at the top of the memorial on the right. This gradient is at the wavy portion where a chemical bath would variably effect the plating removal. I'm in the fake error camp.


The line would not be straight as the Liquid (acid?) would splash thus the WAVES and difference in color. I think if it was missing the copper layer the color would be even.
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 Posted 02/17/2023  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list

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The line would not be straight as the Liquid (acid?) would splash thus the WAVES and difference in color.


That would only be true if the liquid was strong enough to rapidly dissolve the copper. If it took an extended amount of time the liquid would settle.
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 Posted 02/17/2023  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
I like this post LOL.

For those who are for artificial de-plating the CPZ. Can you name something which dissolve the Cu without attack very strong the Zn? NO you can not. Cu it is a very resistant metal to all kind of acids, bases, etc. The HCl will solute the Cu but will eat fast the zinc. Then which solution will let the surface smooth as come after polish? And also if was submersed in a kind of solute, why the stairs do not show some Cu residues or trace of an attack. Nitric acid, sulfuric acid must be heat and will solute first the Zn.

I give a solution for de-plating by reverse electro-plating, but this solution will be apply to all the coin and impossible just partial. Here what will happened:

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Electrons are flowing from more active (Zn) to more passive metal (Cu). This is essential for creating the electric electric current in the cell. In solution without a salt bridge you have constant concentrations of anion (SO4square minus). However, concentration of Cu2+ is decreasing (Cu deposits on metal) and concentration of Zn2+ increases (Zn dissolves). This creates charge imbalance that will quickly compensate difference in potentials of Zn/Zn2+and Cu/Cu2+.


So is not possible without attack the Zn.

In the processes of plating, if for one reason or other the Cu anions flow will pass to fast will deposit on the anode and cathode and the plating is stop. If the flow will be to slow the same effect will be. So if a coin start to be plated and the electrical differential change creating high or to low flow, the part of the coin will be plated and the other part no.

I stay with my first statement: this coin it is legitim.

Hope some more explanations will come.

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02/17/2023 5:35 pm
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 Posted 02/17/2023  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
The way they electroplate cents, this is not posable. Dipped in some sort of chemical that ate away the elec plating.
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 Posted 02/17/2023  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
Just post mint damage .
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 Posted 02/17/2023  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
I do not believe it is a legitimate error.
I'm not sure how this could be a mint-made error.

How could it have been produced so that both sides have the same contour to the anomaly?
The part that appears to be just zinc would have to be out of the plating solution, wouldn't it? I don't belive that is possible.
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 Posted 02/18/2023  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I see nothing about this error that would cause me to question its authenticity.
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 Posted 02/18/2023  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
Congrats on this error confirmation, I'm glad Mike was able to weigh in on it.

I believe the transition line is a good indicator of authenticity for these errors.

"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 02/18/2023  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list
For my own curiosity, is this a coin that you would have graded because of the seemingly rare error?
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 Posted 02/18/2023  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list

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I'm glad Mike was able to weigh in on it.
I believe the transition line is a good indicator of authenticity for these errors.


Me too I am glad Mike chime on. Thanks Mike, because sometimes I am took as a crazy.

I will add one think for education purpose: The electroplating of precious metals over Cu or other nobble metals also Cu over Zn is irreversible without destruction.
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 Posted 02/18/2023  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list

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For my own curiosity, is this a coin that you would have graded because of the seemingly rare error?


Likely not worth it considering the fees associated with grading versus selling value potential. Although PCGS truview photos of this coin would be fun to look at.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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