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1873 S Trade $1 - You Vs PCGS, So You Like Chop Marks?

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 Posted 03/31/2023  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list

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this sold for $960


To each their own, but that's just baffling to me.
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 Posted 04/01/2023  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
comparing your coin to the one I posted showing AU details how could they possibly grade this one straight. just goes to show you how inconsistent their grading is.

PCGS needs to get their act together regarding chops. are they going to detail them or are they going to straight grade them when the other two key grading companies detail them. it confirms my thought that it all depends on which grader gets it and if they are knowledgeable in grading the type of coin they are looking at. another reason why I dont slab.
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 Posted 04/01/2023  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
That's a ten foot pole coin.
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 Posted 04/01/2023  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Shows how little I know about the Trade dollar market. I wouldn't buy it for $150.
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 Posted 04/02/2023  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list

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I wouldn't buy it for $150


i wouldn't consider it at all at any price regardless of the slab. maybe for the silver but thats about it
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 Posted 04/03/2023  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list
That's way overpriced, cannot believe it straight grades as well!
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 Posted 04/03/2023  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I no like the too many chopmarks on this coin.
So many in fact, that it was lucky to be graded.
Looking at Lib's head only, - perhaps F12 or 15.

Value for me maybe 20% to 40% of the 12 - 15 price.
Hypothetically for me only, and with only one or two chopmarks maybe 50% to 75% of the 12 -15 price, where chopmarks can actually add to the coin being a bit more interesting, but still detracting (not so much) from the price.


All comments in italics relate to the premium component above spot silver price.
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 Posted 04/03/2023  05:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list
Looking at such coins, I question my ability to evaluate coins. I would probably consider it a garbage coin that is not worth more than silver (well, maybe a small% premium). I would never value such a coin in AU.
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 Posted 04/03/2023  08:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list

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it confirms my thought that it all depends on which grader gets it and if they are knowledgeable in grading the type of coin they are looking at. another reason why I dont slab.



But...but...but...PCGS says that for each coin they assign not only trained graders, but graders with a specialty area in that specific coin...

1873-S-Trade-$1---You-Vs-PCGS,-So-You-Like-Chop-Marks?

See the essay in my signature for a verifiable (from their own website data) essay concerning the realities of this kind of claim vs. their 30%+ error rate on the rookie level No FG Kennedy half dollar verification.

While I personally say people who collect slabs are enjoying the hobby in their own way and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, I do not like how the mindset inspired by the marketplace leads newbies to believe that if something is on a slab, then it is the unquestionable Gospel truth no matter what they think they can see.

It is all too easy to find legitimate and verifiable problems with this misconception. What makes it harder is human nature. When people find something they have put their faith in is not quite what they imagined it to be, they have a very hard time accepting anything verifiable to the contrary, and that goes doubly so when a lot of money is involved.

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Looking at such coins, I question my ability to evaluate coins. I would probably consider it a garbage coin that is not worth more than silver (well, maybe a small% premium). I would never value such a coin in AU.

Don't. As you can see form the posts above others are questioning this as well...and rightly so. Back before these companies came into being, we did not need them and did quite well being able to make up our own minds about coins. The companies were allegedly made so that a person could have confidence, sight unseen, if the coin was in a slab, that way they were getting for their money was what they were told it was.

Yet b/c someone can crack out a coin and resubmit it to the same company while never being guaranteed the same grade again, just what does that have to say with the original statement of intent?

My personal thought to this day has not changed from (despite a lot of research into modern times and the past) when these companies started up: Some businessman simply had an idea for a new business model to make money off of the hobby.

It made a new hobby of coin+label+slab which some people enjoy. Hey...maybe a new term for this variety of the hobby is in order:
Numisslabbics

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 Posted 04/03/2023  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
Earle42...they lie about who is grading these coins. plus I'm betting that the secondary graders that the coin is passed to imo go with the original graders position on it in a high percentage of the cases.

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 Posted 04/03/2023  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Here's the TrueView https://www.PCGS.com/cert/46425022
Regardless of the chop marks to me the coin is clearly damaged - look at all the deep pockmarks on the reverse from ED.
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 Posted 04/03/2023  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
Ugh!
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Unbelievable grade
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Yeah, the TruView pic make me even more surprised that this straight-graded. The design on the reverse is completely obliterated from the striking of so many chop marks on the obverse. Liberty's head had been severely damaged because of a couple heavy chop marks on the reverse. And, as kbbpll mentioned, there appears to be other damage as well on the reverse in the form of pitting or digs. Simply mind-boggling.
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 Posted 04/08/2023  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
To each his own.
For me, it is just a damaged coin (severe multiple chopmarks)

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