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Gary, My Pleasure......Now, Let the Games Begin, !!!!! 
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Being a bit of a "Dougie Downer"... Would you really want the Mint to strike such coins? Think of how it would destroy the confidence of collectors in the legitimacy of the Mint products/coins they purchase. Collectors would never be confident that current "rarities" would not become tomorrow's "common" coins thanks to unmarked restrikes. I can envision significant destabilization in the numismatic marketplace as a result. The Perth Mint got caught restriking previous years' silver one-ounce kookaburras a few years back and it created much angst among collectors. I understand the frustration of gaps in a collection for reasons out of the control of a collector, but I'd take such frustration over lack of confidence in the Mint/coins in my collection any time. Just my opinion...
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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Quote: Think of how it would destroy the confidence of collectors in the legitimacy of the Mint products/coins they purchase. That is a great point, commems. Next would be a restrike of 1995 W and 2019 S ERP. Unintentional as it may have been, destabilization happened to the 1889 S Morgan dollar. Once thought to be the rarest of Morgans, quickly changed when a hoard of 1889 S was released from the S mint storage vaults in the late 1930's, early 40's. Very quickly turning the rarest Morgan of the day, into a relatively common Morgan. I for one would not want this. Especially if I paid hundreds to thousands of dollars for what was once considered a rare coin, only to be restruck, watering down the value.
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Good topic. They technically did do something kind of like that with the morgan and Peace dollars but not an exact copy of an original so didnt affect original values, and messed up slightly perhaps with not producing them in Carson City as an example but just having the mark. Some coins or grades are rare and that just makes them that much more interesting to collectors who want them. I'm going to say that theoretically, perhaps talking with govmint.com as they do licensed reproductions as I mentioned before in this link- maybe a 2009 proof or burnished to fill the holes could be made? If so give me some residuals lol http://goccf.com/t/446111#3850946 General info for those that dont know about the 2009 missing proof: To meet the soaring demand for new silver eagles, the United States mint dramatically stepped up production of the one-ounce silver coins - striking 30,459,000. This extraordinarily high number of uncirculated (or, "bullion"-quality) silver eagles came at a price for collectors, however. The U.S. Mint, under appropriation requirements early that year to meet bullion demand before collectors' desires, was unable to procure enough planchets early in the year to strike proof and/or burnished specimens for coin collectors. The numismatic community became very disquieted by this, as they would not have a proof silver eagle to add to their annual collections. Mint Director Edmund C. Moy spoke on behalf of numismatists to the U.S. government about the situation and was able to have the appropriations limit lifted, but by the time that had happened, it had become too late in the year to begin striking proof American silver eagles. None were minted that year.
Edited by datadragon 06/07/2023 11:21 pm
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As a Collector I Love this Topic Too, Just Another Thought, I see Previously discussed What If's, besides the O P 's ........ I agree the Morgan silver dollars from 1878 thru the 1921, Those Originally Designed By George Morgan  , Were NOT Re-Minted, they were Re-Produced Differently, NOT the same designs.....  The 1969 CAMARO's were an Amazingly Sharp Looking, Small, Extremely Fast Car. The design was Later Re-Produced Differently, Not the Same Designs, BUT, the Look is Awesome, just the same. I mean, I Never thought I would like a Car, Truck or Motorcycle of the 50's, 60's or the 1970's, Re-Manufactured or Re-Produced The Same Model, or a Super Close look ... The Dodge HEMI Challengers, the Dodge HEMI Chargers,  WOW !!!!  So to say the 2009 ASE West Point Minted Coin may be, Who knows, I do know, Plenty of Collectors will be Right There, side by side, Hunting for the Next, Mint Marked American Silver Eagle. 
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David, Your command of the Queen's English is Noted, Your Always so Kind. The Mint threw us ASE Collectors under the Proverbial Steam Roller, Not A Thought towards Consistent Purchases from Paying Collectors!!,,,, So, to appease the Bullion dealers , the U S Mint decided to make 10,000,000.00 MORE Bullion strikes than the Year Before, and We, Got the Shaft, Told to go Away, Till next Year.........  Almost as Bad as Now, What has come to be called the type 1 ASE 2021 West Point Minted Uncirculated Coins !!!!! 
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Quote:Almost as Bad as Now, What has come to be called the type 1 ASE 2021 West Point Minted Uncirculated Coins !!!!! I see what you mean looking over what was released in 2021- several of the coins only had one choice on some but not others for collectors below. At minimum seems they missed a lot of sales potential but its all silver they may not have the planchets to make during that period. I guess we can add that to the list of govmint reproduction coins to ask to make.  ...unless you have some plutonium, a delorean, and a flux capacitor to go back in time back to the future style.... 2021 T1 Bullion 2021 T2 Bullion 2021-W T1 Proof 2021-W T2 Proof 2021-W T1 Reverse Proof no -W T2 Reverse Proof2021-S T2 Reverse Proof no -S T1 Reverse Proof2021-S T2 Proof no -S T1 Proof2021-W T2 Burnished no -W T1 Burnished
Edited by datadragon 06/07/2023 11:46 pm
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Yeah, I was a bit disappointed in 2021 too.
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In 2009, The U S Mint was making the Newest Versions of The Lincoln Memorial Cents, to Celebrate the 200 TH Birthday of Our 16TH President, with the Abe Lincoln New 4 Reverses, Traded up the Designs for the Rot Away Composition .... 1909 To 2009. They had No Tim to Make the 2009 ASE Mint Marked Unc's................. 
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That is no excuse.. they should have hired more people dedicated to the ASE..
Edited by Dearborn 06/08/2023 3:54 pm
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Quote:That is no excuse.. they should have hire more people dedicated to the ASE.. @Dearborn, The actual reason I posted a few posts up - starts "General info for those that dont know about the 2009 missing proof:" Quote: Traded up the Designs for the Rot Away Composition .... 1909 To 2009. Mike, just a quick side note to your comment. The primarily copper cent was changed to a primarily zinc cent in 1982 and has remain that way ever since which is what you refer to. The general circulation coins for 2009 do contain the same base zinc metal composition as the Memorial cent, which is comprised of 97.5% zinc and 2.5% copper. However some special 2009 cents contain the original copper coin metal composition actually that they had in 1909, which contained 95% copper and 5% Tin and Zinc. The proof 2009 Lincoln Cent designs were struck with a mirror finish in the fields with frosted features. They were struck on solid 95% copper bronze planchets, just like the original 1909 Lincoln Cent. 95% Copper, 5% Tin and Zinc. The proof 2009-S Lincoln cents were only available in the 18-coin 2009 Proof Set, made at the San Francisco Mint - Mintage: 2,995,615 The satin-finish 2009 Lincoln cents were only issued as part of the 2009 Uncirculated coin sets. These sets used special burnished dies to give a satin finish to the fields on each coin. The 2009 Uncirculated coin set comprised 36 coins, double the number in the Proof sets. These sets featured all 18 coin designs and denominations issued in 2009 for both the Philadelphia and Denver Mints. The eight different Lincoln cents issued in the set were of significance because they were composed of 95% copper alloy, 3% zinc and 2% tin. (95% Copper, 5% Tin and Zinc). This metal composition was last used on Lincoln cents from 1909-1942. The Mint sold approximately 771,204 sets of the 2009 Uncirculated Mint Sets, which means that the Satin Finish 2009 Lincoln cents now have the second-lowest mintage in the Lincoln Cent series (for non-proof coins that are composed of mostly copper alloy). The four different 2009 Satin Finish Lincoln cents have an even lower mintage than the 1931-S Lincoln Cent!
Edited by datadragon 06/08/2023 10:43 am
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Just one more coin to collect in the series. I already have 118 of them, so 119 would not make a big difference.
That being said, I would never support making back dated coins. 2009 is in the history books, and that is where it needs to stay.
Edited by Erscolo 06/08/2023 3:59 pm
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Quote: @Dearborn, The actual reason I posted a few posts up - starts "General info for those that dont know about the 2009 missing proof:" David, for you, it's John, and I was joking in response to Mike's joke.
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Quote:David, for you, it's John, and I was joking in response to Mike's joke. they should have hired more people dedicated to the ASE.. Ah, ok. In that case the crack team dedicated to the ASE was hired away by littleton I see  ...just got the email https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/...nhanced%2522
Edited by datadragon 06/08/2023 5:53 pm
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Let me just run this past everyone to make sure I understand the 2009 situation, and this is sort of a compilation of various articles I have read. The economy was in the dumpster about this time. I believe this was referred to as the housing market bubble, had more to do with the banks than anything else, the "jumbo" loans coming due and financial stuff like that, that I don't really get in to. Anyways, everything financially was going south and people were turning to precious metals. A lot. So the demand was high for silver and especially ASEs. The mint was getting planchets mainly from Sunshine Mint, and believe it or not, the US Mint isn't even their biggest customer. And they had a ton of private mints needing planchets. So Sunshine couldn't keep up with demand. The Mint even used a couple alternative refineries to get planchets. Ultimately the mint decided to forget about the collectors and just keep up with demand for the bullion that year, which they felt they were legally obligated to do via the Liberty Coin Act of 1985.
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