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1959 D Penny/ Obverse Material Failure

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 Posted 08/17/2023  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EricH to your friends list
Don't pay attention to that bitter guy it's absolutely worth more than a few dollars.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Nice example of a fold-over lamination issue. At the risk of being labeled 'bitter', I'd say you might get 8-12 dollars for it from someone who collects lamination pieces.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@eric, you will see that I have removed the contents of your last post. As this forum is meant to be family friendly, please don't include personal attacks on anyone. It is fine to possess a contrary opinion, but it is not okay to attack someone with whom you don't agree.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
That is nice. With the fold over, it looks like BER is struck on the flap. But looking closer BER is upside down. Not worth grading but still a nice addition to a collection.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddguy to your friends list
It is a nice find but I agree to not getting it graded, just trying to help you save money as was the other people here.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list
I sure could use a detailed explanation of how this error was created. Was a folded detached lamination layer struck over LIBERTY and then unfolded after the strike and somehow attached as shown? I have no idea how to visualize the process involved in this particular error.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
I suspect that the flap was in place at the moment the coin was struck but then got folded over at some point over the years. It is still attached at the bottom.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3388bknb to your friends list
Well, ok then! That's a ton of helpful opinions! Thank you all. We ourselves are in awe of it. Put it in a 2x2 right away. In a roll of grandads amazing collections. We are blown away daily by our finds.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list
Where did that piece [f material originate? From this coin? The upside down letters of Liberty appear to be incuse, and the half on top of Liberty looks struck thru.
How did this happen considering the process?
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 Posted 08/17/2023  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
Dowhat, get a piece of aluminum foil. Fold it in half. Place it on a semi-firm surface, such as a magazine. Use a pen to write BER into the aluminum, the ink doesn't mater, instead it's the pressure that is being illustrated Unfold the aluminum. Voila, you have two BERs, one "upside down" relative to the other.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
Very nice lamination!

I don't think PCGS would grade this coin. It would be placed in a 'Body Bag' and returned with a code 83.

From the PCGS article on No Grade coins:

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Code 83 - Peeling Lamination
Coins with a peeling lamination cannot be holdered, as in the process of sonic sealing, it is very possible for the lamination to become detached from the coin. A lamination is a planchet defect originating when a portion of the coin metal separates from itself due to impurities or internal stresses. Lamination flaws occur primarily when foreign materials or gas oxide become trapped within the planchet.

I don't know about the other grading services, but I'll try to find out.

Update: From the NGC website:

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Mint-Made Irregularities
Coins are sometimes flawed as made. NGC, as a general rule, will not assign numeric grades to coins having minor flaws such as rim clips or laminations.


Update II: I'm still not sure about ANACS, but I fell asleep while researching, so my wife says I have to go to bed. More to follow... tomorrow.
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1959-D-Penny/-Obverse--Material-Failure


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 Posted 08/18/2023  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add igwt79 to your friends list
Very cool lamination. Congratulations on the great find!
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