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Bedrock of the Community
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Something interesting. Try to find a wrapper for Cents that says Cents on it. Most of all I've seen say Pennies. Try to buy a collectors book to put your Cents in that says Pennies. You will be hard pressed to find one for U.S. Cents. But another thing interesting, you can buy books for Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, Halves, Dollars, but none that says Pennies on it. You never hear of a U.S.two Penny piece or Three Penny Silver or three penny piece or a half penny on U.S. Coins. They all say Half Cent, Cent, Two Cent, Three Cent (Silver or Nickel) Twenty Cent Piece Not 20 Penny piece. So it seems that pennies refer more to non collectors, but collectors prefer to say Cent.
Edited by coop 04/10/2009 6:26 pm
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Quote: But another thing interesting, you can buy books for Nickels And yet the 5 cent piece doesn't say nickel on it, but it calling it a nickel for some reason doesn't cause any controversy. :)
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Quote: but collectors prefer to say Cent I agree for the most part. I have never used the term penny and never will. My friend who has never collected a coin in his life, sees me on the CCF looking at some of the Lincoln Cents and always states,"That's a really nice penny". I guess unless your writing a Numismatic article or contributing to a publication, IMO, it doesn't really matter.
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Vermontensium has it right...unless it's a numismatically related conversation, article, or report, I just use 'penny' because that's what ALL of the public of this country calls them. Go into the bank and tell them you would like to buy, "one roll of one cent coins and two rolls of five cent coins". They will look at you like you just fell from outer space. "One roll of pennies and two rolls of nickels" is simply the colloquially accepted language.
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It's refreshing to see a one of the professionals such as Chuck point out that the argument between using the terms Cent and Penny is simply confrontational. I live in Canada and quite honestly we often use the term Penny...and everyone knows what it is. If I was to try to buy 5 Lincoln's off someone and asked for 5 Pennies I would hate to get berated for it. If I was to use the term Cent then ask for 5 Cents I would probaly be handed a nickel. I believe those who follow numismatics know what people are asking for when they refer to Cents as Pennies. I work in the Medical field and it also has a specific terminology that can be of great importance, however there are still terms such as inflammation and infection that get used interchangeably even though there is a difference. However as a professonal in that field I am able to determine what the person is attempting to get across without consistently correcting there use of the terms. Its simply splitting hairs. Seems there is probaly more importance in educating people on the difficult areas of understanding Numismatics. I use the term Cent more now than before but am not about to correct people who say Penny.
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Daggit, Welcome to the forum, I have used the term penny many times and like others do not feel it is needed to worry about that term, unless it is in the discussion of coins and such, with fellow collectors and Numismatists, enjoy the hobby and the education here that comes with it, Mike... 
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United States
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This conversation has taken a pleasent turn, with another old coin controversy. Actually it will probably be harder to change this in Canada than in the United States since Canada has a longer history of ties to the U.K. It is from that history the usage comes, similar to the use of 2-Bits for a Quarter here in the States which is left over from the period when Spanish 8 Reales freely circulated. Anyone else? C'mon, a Penny for your thoughts? ~ Jim
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Hi,
Let it be known that I would never even think of berating anyone for using penny instead of cent. I know that it wasn't suggested that I do, but there are folks out there who really do get bent out of shape over it:-) I just use it as an educational tool to explain the differences and the origins of the terms.
Terms get muddy over time and I like to wash some of the mud off now and then.
have Fun, Bill
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Vermontensium has it right...unless it's a numismatically related conversation, article, or report, I just use 'penny' because that's what ALL of the public of this country calls them. Go into the bank and tell them you would like to buy, "one roll of one cent coins and two rolls of five cent coins". They will look at you like you just fell from outer space. "One roll of pennies and two rolls of nickels" is simply the colloquially accepted language.
HAHAHAHAHA....that is SO TRUE! Every single teller I've gotten a box of cents from is completely lost when I ask them for a "box of cents"...they ALL reply "oh, you mean a box of pennies". LOLOLOL
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I think if a poll was taken (actually, one was done here I believe) I think most people, collectors and non-collectors alike, would use the word penny. As far as bank tellers go, well, most I have noticed are young and have only heard the word penny. If you showed them a 2 Cent Piece or a 3 Cent Piece or a 20 Cent Piece, I guarantee you they would have never known such coins even exist 
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Just a thought, since the conversation has shifted away from the original 1984"cent", I wonder who could clearly explain why if the coinage in the U S is 1 cent, 2 cents, 5 cents, 10 cents, 25 cents 50 cents etc, why has the term penny "stuck" or used more than the term used by the dept of engraving at the U S Mint. I mean why do you suppose that most of us still use this term and not what is actually on these coins, tradition,?, What do you think is the reason many have been so stuck on using the proper terminology, we all know how an educated person is better understood when they use the proper terminology, Just a thought......999 reads later.  To all have a very happy Easter...
Edited by Morgans Dad 04/11/2009 9:51 pm
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Quote: To all have a very happy Easter... You too  I was thinking. Cent is one syllable and penny is two. Maybe it's more palatable to say penny. Anyway, that was stupid 
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Pillar of the Community
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Morgans Dad - The Bureau of Engraving and Printing does paper money only. The U.S. Mint is what you would have meant as the issuer of coins.
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Pillar of the Community
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I like to compare the Cent /Penny thing to something else that I am very familiar with ...birds:-)
When I say parakeet, most people think of a specific bird seen in many pet shops around the country. A parakeet in reality is a term used to describe many small to medium sized parrots and is not one specific bird.
The fact that people have called those small birds parakeets when in reality the bird is a budgerigar has created a false impression that those cute little birds are "THE" parakeet and not just a type of parakeet, which is a general umbrella under which many small parrots fall.
Even though the terminology is entirely incorrect as a specific name for a specific specie of bird, parakeet has become synonymous with budgerigar.
The term parakeet can be properly applied to many smaller parrots and those familiar with the Quaker Parrot may know that they are also known as the Monk parakeet. Some conures are known as parakeets and so on.
I don't want to get too much into parrots but the point is the same.
Common usage of a word doesn't really change the true definition of a word but it does become so common that newer generations of people don't hear any other term used and by virtue of that, an incorrect piece of terminology is created by default.
When I do talks on parrots, I always use the proper terminology so that those who may be interested can learn the correct term. As a teacher, I would be remiss if I didn't try to correct the terminology used.
I've had people ask me....What is a budgerigar who are delighted to find out that it is what they have always known as a "Parakeet". I have also had some folks look at me like I was nuts and that's OK too. It is important in education to use the proper terms in order to communicate ideas in a consistent way.
And...so it is with the Cent/Penny. It is a cent and calling it a penny for so long created a common usage of a word but it doesn't change the fact that the coin is a cent:-)
If nothing else, it's fun to see what kinds of reactions you get when you get into topics like this:-)
Have Fun, Bill
Edited by foundinrolls 04/11/2009 9:50 pm
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Chuck, once again thanks for keeping me on the right track.....Would you believe the engravers at the U S Mint!
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