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1945 Wheat Cent Unlisted Cud

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 Posted 12/23/2023  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list
On the border between Rim Cud & Interior Retained Cud. Maybe?
Regardless of what you call it, the rim is definitely involved.

With that said, it is odd looking, more like solder applied or something
squeezed onto the coin in layers. Not so much like a Cud occurring during
minting.
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 Posted 12/23/2023  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Hmm.
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 Posted 12/23/2023  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kurdlezuit to your friends list
The pattern of it does look similar to a weld. The back and forth overlapping wave pattern.
But that's just my observation. ?
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 Posted 12/23/2023  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list
I will admit haven't delt with but a few Cuds and its formations do look a little different to me but if someone had added metal to this coin I would think that I would see a greater weight than 3.1 grams I can try picking at it with a toothpick and see what happens. But if it was welded on or solder on the toothpick will do nothing but break.
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 Posted 12/23/2023  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list

Quote:
I will admit haven't delt with but a few Cuds

I have only found 3 myself, so my comment on your coin is
really just my opinion of course. Hopefully our better qualified peeps
here will have some opinions to add.
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 Posted 12/23/2023  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list
I did some rubbing with a toothpick and it's definitely not a Cud as I previously thought it is getting a acetone bath again and will take new photos in a few hours maybe a fold over rim but will post new pictures in a few hours.
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 Posted 12/23/2023  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list
How disappointing but none the less the area in question is not raised but incused you can see the tops of the devices on the R and B and L and P not so much on the E I can only conclude this is some form of PMD nothing I can think of would have caused this in the minting process
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 Posted 12/23/2023  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list
LOL I had to check the calendar. It's not April Fool's Day right?
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 Posted 12/24/2023  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list
No not April Fool's Day I'm sorry to say had to turn it just right in the light and could see that it was incusde also could feel it with the toothpick
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 Posted 12/24/2023  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list
Im just joking, I have been fooled by incuse / recuse many a time before!
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 Posted 12/24/2023  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
It could be a legitimate error. A lam/ strike through sounds fitting.
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 Posted 12/25/2023  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kurdlezuit to your friends list
Being incuse makes more sense. That was the way my eyes originally saw it, and was trying to force myself to see it raised.
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 Posted 12/25/2023  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list
Willburton I am a little confused with what you are suggesting as a possibility the lam part I understand but if it was a strike through wouldn't that leave the surface raised rather than incuse
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 Posted 12/25/2023  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
I'm on board with Will Burton about it being a struck through.

A struck through would have been some foreign matter (probably metal) on the planchet when it was struck. When that piece fell out it took the missing devices with it and left a void.
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 Posted 12/26/2023  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list
Pete55 thanks for the explanation makes more sense now still a lot to learn that's for sure
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