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Valued Member
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Been an collector of pennies since the 80s..I use real value resources too..just look it up
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Valued Member
Canada
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Ngc canadian penny values..1979 machine doubled date...look it up
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Valued Member
Canada
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I find it hard to believe that you don't know these varieties exist..pretty head strong about the subject and you clearly haven't researched it at all
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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DBM,I believe you are correct
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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I will again link you to REAL experts on the doubling subject, including Wexler. Please read and then go to the links at the bottom of the page and left of the page. https://doubleddie.com/144801.htmlIf you are going by ebay "sell" prices, you are following buyers who did not know what they were buying and hadn't researched. You wanted opinions on your coin and 4 different people have told you that Machine Doubling and Die Deterioration Doubling ARE NOT varieties and add little to no value. You seem to be following ebay "newbies" rather than established, knowleable collectors |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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This topic is getting unnecessarily adversarial.
Starseed, the parties debating with you are looking at the definition of "variety" and as a result disagreeing with you.
According to NGC, a variety is:
"In United States numismatics, a variety may be defined as a die or die pairing that offers some distinctive feature not a normal part of the design."
So this is not a "variety" because it is not caused by a difference in the dies versus other cents. It is, however, a well-collected phenomenon with 1979 pennies. There are double "1979", double "979", double "79" and double "9" coins out there. The double "1979" is particularly hard to find.
1979 double date coins will carry a premium in high MS grades but the market for examples grading under MS65 is quite limited with the exception of the double "1979".
I used to have a huge set of "doubled" and "hanging" small cents (die clashes) but I have lost interest in them and sold them all.
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United States
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http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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06/17/2024 2:03 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
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Just letting you know that these coins have value..all good.. trying to help others like myself find value in everyday coins...I certainly would not say they had a premium if they didn't.. they have a premium...all I can say is look it up..it's simple..good times ..only reason I would engage conversations is because I didn't think they were til recently..ngc..canadian coins..look it up
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Valued Member
Canada
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Or maybe ngc is wrong also?
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Valued Member
Canada
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Here you ho..I will do your homework for you..   You should send them an email at coinscanada and let them know they are wrong... |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Then you poke fun like I'm a newbie YouTube collector..meanwhile you are giving your advice on a forum online..you are just looking to argue. If you have any positive or informative info then just pass me by..
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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These coins do exist.
Some collectors seek them.
However they are not varieties or errors.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Starseed, The 1979 small cent you posted is indeed the aftermath of Die Deterioration Doubling, I specialize in real doubled die varieties on Canadian coinage of all denominations and I can assure you with confidence that Die Deterioration Doubling is not a true variety of any kind. Yes, some examples do in fact (for whatever uneducated reason from long ago) carry a premium, and yes there are a select few grading companies that will attribute them correctly while stating "Double Date" or "Double 979" simply meaning Deteriorated/Machined Date, or Deteriorated/Machined 979. When grading companies say "Double" instead of "Doubled Die" they are 100% referring to Machine Doubling OR Die Deterioration Doubling and it does confuse a lot of collectors. Die Deterioration is not an error or a variety, the dies that are used to strike Canadian coinage can deteriorate quickly, it is completely inevitable and is not under any circumstances, an error or variety no matter how many new collectors wish, or sometimes demand that they are. Machine Doubling will happen for a number of reasons that are well within the RCM's tolerance during the striking process, which again, is not an error or variety. As for using Coins and Canada for references, anyone can post examples on the Coins and Canada forum and have it listed as whatever they wish to call it, not everything listed on Coins and Canada is genuine and they are aware of that and are currently trying to add correct descriptions. So yes, you will find Die Deterioration listings and Machine Doubling Listings, however, it does not make them worth a premium. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Thank you JohnWayne007.
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06/17/2024 9:17 pm
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Posted 06/17/2024 12:15 pm
The collecting community has not treated such coins consistently. Some catch on in popularity and sell at premiums. Others do not.
