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I assumed the "X"PM stood for the service and privy mark but I think the 25 is a trunicated way of saying 250th anniversery
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Quote: but I think the 25 is a trunicated way of saying 250th anniversery No, it is the year of release Have a look at the mint's list in 2023, 2024, and 2025: 2023  2024  2025  This way the Mint can reuse the same code for products that are repeated every year. Have a look at the 2024 image West point Silver Eagle : the code is 24EA in the 2025 image that same silver eagle is 25EA
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That's makes sense
Now that I see more items numbers equating to the Item names I feel more confident the PM stands for Privy Mark
The 250th Anv Marine Corp Commemorative Dollar is 25CD
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Not sure if this is the same but I've herd an online content "silver dragon" talk about an on line game that when you play and accumulate enough points you can buy coins that where made by the united states mint and do have a pervey mark on them. Not sure if this is something different than what is being talked about here.
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So an on line look reveals there is an on line game that you can win points to get a low mint ASE with a pervey mark on it from the Philadelphia mint. The game is called 8 th era.
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But I do believe this is something different than what is being talked about here. There was no mention of this coin being military.
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Yes different things. The one relating to the 8th Era game (Nice Gang? I'm not into gaming) was done last year and was bullion with a star privy. This year the rumor is the mint is doing this again with an eagle privy mark. This year the mint is "doing something" with the ASE (evidently) to honor the 250th anniversary of the Army, Navy, and Marine Corp. I would still call it speculation that what they are doing is privy marks for each. The only thing certain is one of each of the US Mints that have produced ASEs is making one of each of the branches, and that these are proof ASEs, not bullion. I agree it's a good case that these are privy mark ASEs, but we'll see.
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Quote:...win points to get a low mint ASE with a pervey mark on it from the Philadelphia mint. Couple things. It's "privy mark". It is bullion, so there is no mint mark, but yes they were minted in Philly. Production was 500,000. Not a large amount for bullion, but half a mil is half a mil.
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My reply from the Mint,FWIW: "Thank you for your recent inquiry to the United States Mint.
The American Eagle 2025 One Ounce Silver Proof Coin - Army, American Eagle 2025 One Ounce Silver Proof Coin - Marines, and the American Eagle 2025 One Ounce Silver Proof Coin - Navy, are not privy Mark coins."
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I can't fathom what they would do to differentiate these from normal ASEs Would ASE collectors buy them if they have a different obverse or reverse? If they change the obverse or reverse are they really ASEs?
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There are certain elements that can be accepted that these coins must have. They are calling them coins, so that's an immediate Y in the road. And also they are in the category of American Eagle Coins. So legally, this must all be in place: "The Act specified that the coins would have a diameter of 40.6 mm, weight of 31.103 grams (one troy ounce), and composition of .999 fine silver. The obverse design was to be symbolic of Liberty, while the reverse would contain an eagle. Required inscriptions included the words "LIBERTY", "IN GOD WE TRUST", "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", "1 OZ. FINE SILVER", "E PLURIBUS UNUM", and "ONE DOLLAR"." So they really can't remove any of what's there. Liberty had to be portrayed, and there had to be an eagle, although they could put a different or smaller eagle on the reverse. They could definitely modify it. I'm not sure what exactly the Mint can do without authorization. I know there was legislation involved in making the lettered edge in 2016, could they just have something on a lettered edge system as "ARMY 250TH ANNIVERSARY"? Possibly, but the last time they did lettered edge it was only at West Point and I also heard didn't go all that well, a lot were destroyed. I mainly wanted to share what the reply was. I'm not suggesting "everyone here", but if a few people wanted to make independent inquiries with the mint, someone else might give you a different answer. But this is what the rep said, where I was expecting a little closer to a non answer, rather than what was said. The codes rarely make sense, and that's what drove me to ask them. It seems too coincidental. One code that makes sense are the Women's Quarter program, where it's the year, then WO, then the issue number for the year, like 25WO1, 25W02, etc. You also have a longer code for dollar releases where they are in differing amounts like rolls and bags. But for the silver eagle yearly releases, typically it's the 2 digit year and 2 digit for the product, 25EA, 25EM, 25RF, etc. The only complication was 2021 where they had the old codes, then for the type 2 they added N to the back, I've always assumed for "New" design. Going way back, the mint didn't seem to refer to the codes at all. They possibly existed, but before the mint had a website, who knows if the referred to codes or not. Maybe on old invoices it would refer to them. I know I tried on my own data material I try to refer to codes when I knew them. You started seeing really nonsensical codes starting I want to say about (year) 2000, them they seemed to standardize the codes, possibly about 2015 or so (the 4 digit codes). So it does make sense that they are using a special 5 digit codes for these 3. Definitely the A,N, and M make sense, leaving us to wonder about the PM. So setting the answer I received aside, could the PM have no meaning, just (suspiciously) random, or could it have another meaning? P for Proof? M for Military? Privy Mark makes more sense. But they told me no!
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I refuse to participate in the Canadian Mint marketing tactics that the US Mint has adopted the last few years.
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This particular subject doesn't bother me. They do on occasion keep the public in suspense over the details, like this topic we're discussing. I know The Royal Mint and Royal Canadian Mint, do products that I can't really see a government mint doing, and now it seems like the US Mint is following that, right now not to a great degree, I can't even remember because it interests me so little, some kind of a super hero thing, The Royal Mint in particular has ALL this crap on their website, 007 and Harry Potter and all sorts of stuff. And people say the US Mint is bad. You can check out their websites, it's no secret. So for the US Mint wanting to even further honor the 250th Anniversary of these military branches, that's ok with me. It's all this other stuff, even the star privy ASE, they didn't and don't need to do that sort of thing, IMO. I would NOT mind seeing them do the types of security features for example that the RCM does and the unique special finishes and high relief coins life they do with the silver maple leaf, it offer the ASE in larger "format", 2 oz version in high relief for example. And a tailored specimen finish, ooo-lala
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Gilly, thanks for sharing that response from the USM re: the term "PM". . .could stand for "Premium Mark-Up" ( which is what I expect the Mint to do with these ). . .or "Pretty Mediocre" which the Mint also does on a regular basis.
" Even a clock that's stopped is right twice a day. "
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