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Pillar of the Community
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Ya I see what you are saying Marve. But why? I can't see how anyone would have more interest in the altered image over the original.
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Bedrock of the Community
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But why? I can't see how anyone would have more interest in the altered image over the original. I have no idea! I got to say this was a first for me seeing something like this on ebay! But I know it can be done because I always mess around with my editing program and for some reason you can wash out details of pictures. That's why I noticed it. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well that's a plot twist! That would explain the implausibility of someone breaking out an AU details coin and replacing it with a genuine F-VF coin in the original holder. I agree that the pattern of toning spots makes it likely to be the same coin. But very odd that someone would digitally alter the image to create more wear. It obviously didn't help the ebay sales price. |
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United States
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Interesting thread. I can't think of a reason why a seller would artificially cause wear in their coins photos.
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New Member
Canada
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Just thought I'd offer a random thought - could the original graded coin have been cracked out and used for a casting?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Clearly the same coin. Looks like the simple case of terrible photo disease. Who knows what is exact setup is or how the coin was made to look more worn. Quote:
Just thought I'd offer a random thought - could the original graded coin have been cracked out and used for a casting? No, because you can't copy black carbon spots and perfectly match the toning from the host coin. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Late to the party, but I agree with Marve as well. The black crud in the last A of America is also a match. Let me ask this about the coin value. Would there be any perceived increase in price by convincing someone that an AU details 1842 quarter was a mis-graded VF/XF coin that might straight grade if cracked and resubmitted? I think that even after considering the occasional scammy nature of ebay, these are probably just lousy over-filtered photos and not an attempt at deception. What do that seller's other images look like? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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What do that seller's other images look like? Some of their other slab pictures are also pretty bad but others are really good. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's a puzzle. Most of the seller's other listings have nice, sharp photos, but an occasional one does not. Here's another of his listings that looks vastly different than the images from NGC (on bottom). It's clearly the same coin based on the location of various toning spots, and the label looks just as sharp as the NGC images. Hard to imagine that he's improving what a buyer is willing to pay with these presumably altered photos.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It seems like they only do it to the Details coins, going thru a number of the straights for sale show crisp images. Makes you wonder if this is a clearing/consignment house on ebay. Purposefully put out bad images of consignee items to portray over-grading and a dismal coin so that price remains low. Then they - or one of their cohorts - swoops in and picks in up at basement bargain prices. An XF details 1842 just sold for $500, a VF for $499 - different sellers. This AU Dets for $360 Only valid explanation I can think of. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What I find particularly odd about the images is that the text is essentially the same. The coin itself looks more worn. Is that the result of a basic filter, or is that actually an AI filter of some kind?
It does seem like shenanigans, because there is always the option to just use the NGC website images unaltered.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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wow. this is an excellent example for everyone as to how a photo can not only alter what we see, but significantly change the entire coin enough that what we see could be several grades lower than what the coin actually is. if I was grading the coin by the initial photos i'd put it in the Fine area. thats crazy.
newbies take note!
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wow. this is an excellent example for everyone...  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like the seller is using a scan instead of a photo. Scans wash out a lot of detail and color.
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