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1960 P 1c Modified Hub Doubling #3 +clipped Planchet

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 Posted 10/21/2025  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
But so be it. Very nice catching this particular oddity on more than one working die. As always, Greg, nice job!
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 Posted 11/01/2025  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
I guess DDD can spread away from the rim. Here is an example from error-ref.com. This doesn't look like what is happening on this 1960 1c though especially since multiple dies are involved.

1960-P-1c-Modified-Hub-Doubling-#3-+clipped-Planchet

It's been difficult getting the attribution experts to respond to this but I will update if I hear anything.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 11/29/2025  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
If you had not said the features were incuse, I would have said the opposite, based on the shadows. Die Deterioration can be incuse and can appear on either side of a letter/number or completely surround it. https://www.error-ref.com/die-deter...ling-incuse/

The features have the appearance of Die Deterioration Doubling, not hub doubling, nor of working hub doubling (which looks like Strike Doubling = debatable by some).
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 Posted 11/29/2025  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
It looks like DDD except it didn't occur on a working die. So how do we explain DDD on a working hub that only produces less than a thousand working dies?

Here's a couple more photos from Ray Parkhurst.

The flat linear bar above the 9 is present on all examples and could represent a tool mark. Also the outer double crescent loop on the upper 9 looks like it could be from abrasion passes. If so, would the mint try and polish out DDD on a working hub?

Another feature I'm looking at is the upper secondary curve point of the 6. It looks like it may be completely isolated from the primary 6 which wouldn't happen with DDD.

Question: Can polishing out raised digits produce incuse digits?

All of the examples of Die Deterioration incuse doubling on error-ref.com show movement towards the rim. https://www.error-ref.com/?s=die+de...ion+doubling

Thanks for the conversation with this oddity.

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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 11/29/2025  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list

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All of the examples of Die Deterioration incuse doubling on error-ref.com show movement towards the rim.



Error-Ref SAYS differently:
" Die Deterioration Doubling may completely surround an affected design element (like a number or letter) or may be restricted to one side."
https://www.error-ref.com/die-deter...ling-incuse/

If the feature IS on multiple dies, then perhaps it does have the appearance of Strike Doubling, which is claimed by some to be diagnostic for Working Hub Doubling. I think I hear you saying it IS abraded working hub doubling.

I am navigating in the dark on this and only exploring possibilities.

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 Posted 11/29/2025  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list
Interesting discussion. Here's more potpourri for the pot, and a good CoinWorld article.
https://www.error-ref.com/?s=Rotati...ine+Doubling
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 Posted 11/29/2025  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list

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Error-Ref SAYS differently:


I was being specific just for examples displayed under DDD Incuse, I do understand what the description says though. The description also mentions incuse doubling is most often seen on copper plated zinc cents.


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I think I hear you saying it IS abraded working hub doubling.


Yes, this is the description I'm leaning towards.

I've posted three different coins/dies showing this doubling and in the first post of this topic I have provided links to those examples.

"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 12/03/2025  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
Adding another photo I just put together. I think this shows the tooling around the 9 well. The top bar above the 9 looks like a tool mark. The inside lower curve of the 9 is straighter than the primary 9's curve which could mean the filing reshaped it. The two outer upper secondary loops of the 9 could be the result of multiple abrasive passes. Just guesses but I am open to other opinions.


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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 03/28/2026  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
My article on this anomaly is featured in the new ErrorScope issue March/April 2026.


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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 03/28/2026  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
CONGRATULATIONS
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Thanks for your help with this Pete!
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 03/28/2026  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
I found one of these a few years ago. I posted the coin but can't remember what some the were. I think I will go and see if I can find the post.
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 Posted 03/28/2026  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Nice on getting a write up Greg! I don't have a membership at this point with Coneca but sure it's good. Always appreciate the time you take in pointing out new things in coins and taking time to explain and seeing it through to fruition.
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Congratulations!
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 Posted 03/29/2026  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
Thanks the comment makecents!


Thanks E&V!
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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