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But so be it. Very nice catching this particular oddity on more than one working die. As always, Greg, nice job!
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I guess DDD can spread away from the rim. Here is an example from error-ref.com. This doesn't look like what is happening on this 1960 1c though especially since multiple dies are involved.  It's been difficult getting the attribution experts to respond to this but I will update if I hear anything.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978
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It looks like DDD except it didn't occur on a working die. So how do we explain DDD on a working hub that only produces less than a thousand working dies? Here's a couple more photos from Ray Parkhurst. The flat linear bar above the 9 is present on all examples and could represent a tool mark. Also the outer double crescent loop on the upper 9 looks like it could be from abrasion passes. If so, would the mint try and polish out DDD on a working hub? Another feature I'm looking at is the upper secondary curve point of the 6. It looks like it may be completely isolated from the primary 6 which wouldn't happen with DDD. Question: Can polishing out raised digits produce incuse digits? All of the examples of Die Deterioration incuse doubling on error-ref.com show movement towards the rim. https://www.error-ref.com/?s=die+de...ion+doublingThanks for the conversation with this oddity.  
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978
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Quote:All of the examples of Die Deterioration incuse doubling on error-ref.com show movement towards the rim. Error-Ref SAYS differently: " Die Deterioration Doubling may completely surround an affected design element (like a number or letter) or may be restricted to one side." https://www.error-ref.com/die-deter...ling-incuse/If the feature IS on multiple dies, then perhaps it does have the appearance of Strike Doubling, which is claimed by some to be diagnostic for Working Hub Doubling. I think I hear you saying it IS abraded working hub doubling. I am navigating in the dark on this and only exploring possibilities.
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Quote: Error-Ref SAYS differently: I was being specific just for examples displayed under DDD Incuse, I do understand what the description says though. The description also mentions incuse doubling is most often seen on copper plated zinc cents. Quote: I think I hear you saying it IS abraded working hub doubling. Yes, this is the description I'm leaning towards. I've posted three different coins/dies showing this doubling and in the first post of this topic I have provided links to those examples.
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Adding another photo I just put together. I think this shows the tooling around the 9 well. The top bar above the 9 looks like a tool mark. The inside lower curve of the 9 is straighter than the primary 9's curve which could mean the filing reshaped it. The two outer upper secondary loops of the 9 could be the result of multiple abrasive passes. Just guesses but I am open to other opinions. 
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978
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My article on this anomaly is featured in the new ErrorScope issue March/April 2026. 
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Quote: CONGRATULATIONS Thanks for your help with this Pete!
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I found one of these a few years ago. I posted the coin but can't remember what some the were. I think I will go and see if I can find the post.
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Nice on getting a write up Greg! I don't have a membership at this point with Coneca but sure it's good. Always appreciate the time you take in pointing out new things in coins and taking time to explain and seeing it through to fruition.
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Thanks the comment makecents!
Thanks E&V!
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