1859 IHC

Although I've bought from this seller, he tends to be....enthusiastic in his lighting and descriptions. This one's overpriced.

It's a heck of a nice present! Happy Birthday! I don't know what the price is but if it was $35 or $40, I might consider it. That booger under her nose would bother me since we all think it might be cleaned, I would try to work on that area with BadThads verdi-care and see if it can't go away some.
Maybe it's the little kids on the school bus, they look like that and I give them a tissue.

Yea, I'm going to skip on this one. I want a nice clean example, even if it's VF. I have $100 to spend and want to buy the right coin.

Not at all. I'm glad you guys brought up the flaws, especially the cleaned aspect. I'm looking for a goods, solid specimen and this just wasn't it. And I will definitely wait until I find the right coin, that's one thing that makes this hobby much more fun.

The 1859 Indian was a tough one to find a nice example for my 7070. I finally got a great deal on a three coin lot where I was able to get both the 1859 and an 1863 at the same time for a good price. I probably spent 4 months looking though, so patience may be a virtue here.

Ken

Hmmm...notice how the coloration on the coin is different inside the date, legends, and recesses around the feather tips?
To my eyes, that may be evidence of cleaning, partial at least. When old dirt is removed, the underlying metal often has a different color. With evidence of cleaning and that rim ding, I wouldn't count on this coin getting a TPG grade.

This coin is also a good example of how the harder CuNi planchets wore out the dies. An 1859 will be tough to buy from pics alone--good luck!

I think it has some light scratches or contact marks from a more recent mishandling by a collector of a generation back. Maybe they had a bag or box with a number of other coins in it and paid little attention to proper storage and handling of coins. When I first started collecting coins I remember when IHC were cheap and 1859 were about $8.00 in the condition this one is in.

I'm gonna take a guess (even tho this isn't the contest we play) that this might end up around $60.00 or $65.00 and in my opinion, is a better coin than the first one you looked at. Just make sure you really, really like it.

Look at the first one and you can see many little scratches evenly
distributed all around the surfaces and they go in every direction. That is a sign of cleaning.
I don't think this one shows that but it might have been admired and maybe rubbed on the surfaces a number of times between the fingers. The second one also has a rim ding on the reverse which ya gotta be able to live with that and the trapped dirt.

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