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Statistical Analysis Of Key And Semi-Key Lincoln Cents

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 Posted 02/14/2012  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
I did a multi-variable linear regression to try to relate log(mintage) to log(price) and year for Mercury dimes and came up with a much better model than one that just used mintage. However, it still wasn't a very good predictor of price at the grades I tried it at. It suggested that certain mid-20s dates like 1925-D were overpriced by more than twice, and some teen dates and late-20s/early-30s dates were under-priced by similar factors (interestingly, 1.8ish million mintage '30-S and '31-S were much more under-priced than 1.5ish million mintage '31-D).

The under-priced dates seem to correspond to recessions, so I may try plugging in an economic-activity factor into the model to see if that will improve the fit at all. E.g. something like GDP over the 5 years following the release of each issue. I may also get a better fit by only looking at very low grades or only looking at uncirculated grades, which would be less dependent on amount of circulation.
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 Posted 02/14/2012  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list
@biggfredd, pretty interesting analysis among those 3 cents.

I remember when I started collecting in the 1970s that I read that the ones with the lowest mintage were the most expensive, but it is really all about supply and demand. There are other denominations that are much lower in mintage than the Lincoln keys, but sell for way less. I wish I could remember a few off of the top of my head.
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 Posted 02/14/2012  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list
And this is a great thread. I really like the idea.

Is there a way to compare keys from one denomination to another?

Mainly to see what keys of what denominations are more rare than the other?
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 Posted 02/18/2012  04:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TrashyTrucker to your friends list
Hey BiggFred, you caught my interest, but I'm not "getting it", what does this mean? "the 31s barely doubles between good and ms60, a sure sign of hoarding."
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 Posted 02/18/2012  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paddy murphy to your friends list
Trashy,

Biggfreds point was the price for a good 1931-s is only half of a ms60. Look at any other "key date" coin of almost any other denomination and you'll see a condition multiplier well in excess of 2. For instance the 1914-D Good to MS60 multiplier is around 12. Nobody hoarded 1914-D's like they did 1931-S's so they are relatiely rarer. The "No Cent" nickle is a classic example of this also...

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 Posted 02/18/2012  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MYtwoCENTS to your friends list
Captainfwiffo, what regression method did you use? Was it OLS or something else? What was you adjusted R value?
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 Posted 02/18/2012  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
It was OLS. I think. Adjusted R was 0.85. That was after excluding the worst outliers, 1916 and 1916-S. I think excluding them is justified because they were saved in large numbers and well known to be particularly common as a result.

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 Posted 02/18/2012  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MYtwoCENTS to your friends list
Interesting, what independent variables did you use? Does the software you use provide an equation and do you mind sharing that. An adjusting R of .85 is pretty decent you are atleast explaning a signifigant amount of variation in you dependent variabl. How high was the TSS?
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 Posted 02/18/2012  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
Keep in mind the wise words of Chemistry Dog, I am new to this kind of analysis. My independent variables were the year of issue and the log of the mintage. The dependent variable was the log of the Numismedia XF40 price. This is the output of my statistics package (I'm using R).

Residuals:
     Min       1Q   Median       3Q      Max 
-1.01520 -0.45579  0.07489  0.38104  1.11649 

Coefficients:
             Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)    
(Intercept) 364.68854   38.02047   9.592 1.41e-11 ***
log_Mintage  -1.05848    0.07352 -14.398  < 2e-16 ***
Year         -0.17902    0.01958  -9.144 4.96e-11 ***
---
Signif. codes:  0 '***' 0.001 '**' 0.01 '*' 0.05 '.' 0.1 ' ' 1 

Residual standard error: 0.5449 on 37 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-squared: 0.8636,	Adjusted R-squared: 0.8562 
F-statistic: 117.1 on 2 and 37 DF,  p-value: < 2.2e-16


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 Posted 02/18/2012  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MYtwoCENTS to your friends list
I am new to regression analysis as well. I just happen to be taking a class in econometrics right now and we are using OLS so this thread struck home with me.
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 Posted 02/18/2012  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MYtwoCENTS to your friends list
Also any reason why you took the log of the price?
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 Posted 02/18/2012  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
Mainly because of how the prices are distributed. There are many dates that are a few dollars or tens of dollars, a handful that are a few hundred, and one that is several thousand. That sort of distribution is a lot easier to look at in a non-linear way, and logarithmically is the most obvious way to do that, though maybe not the best (for all I know, prices follow some other non-linear relationship.) Mintages are the same way - there are many dates with mintages in the several million to tens of million range, a handful in the 1-2 million range, and one that just a couple hundred thousand.

On the other hand, it makes no sense to take the logarithm of a year.
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 Posted 02/21/2012  04:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TrashyTrucker to your friends list
Ok, I think I'm getting the idea Paddy and Bigg Fredd, thank you! The bottom line is the shorter mintages are usually hoarded and the higher mintages not so much, therefore the higher mintage old coins will be tougher to find high end quality survivors.

This is what I have been thinking all along, but got caught up in statistics! (grin) I put together this image bringing together some key historical aspects to the Lincoln Mintages just for kicks, to see if any areas might be better than others. I did NOT include proofs or steel pennies. Hope this helps in the food for thought area! :)

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 Posted 02/21/2012  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cmajlz to your friends list
How much of the increased mintage is due to inflation or population growth?
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 Posted 02/22/2012  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cmajlz to your friends list
I'm not sure if the following adds anything to the discussion or not. Of what I hve understood I began to wonder about the availability of what is available (assuming what I have found roll hunting in the last 9 months is indicative of the available distribution.) I have kept every 1938 - 1959 nickel I have found and this is the distribution. I did not include 1938 and 1939 since some of those were given to me.

P D S

1940 9 5 4
1941 10 4 4
1942 5 1
1942 3 2 silver
1943 3 1 2 silver
1944 4 1 2 silver
1945 2 2 1 silver
1946 12 2 1
1947 7 2 3
1948 6 6 1
1949 4 5 2
1950 1 0
1951 6 2 2
1952 9 1 2
1953 7 7 2
1954 12 11 2
1955 3 7
1956 6 6
1957 10 12
1958 4 15
1959 4 13

I live in WV so that may account for an over supply of P minted nickels.
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