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Okkkk Now I'm Confused

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 Posted 07/18/2011  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tam to your friends list
Familiarize yourself with shelving vs. notching, key determinant. not that easy to figure out, but if you look at examples of each, you'll begin to see the differences. Notching determines {at least} a true DD, where shelving denotes MD. Coppercoins' post really helps.
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07/18/2011 6:10 pm
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 Posted 07/18/2011  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
great resources and explanation thanks tam and jbuck.
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 Posted 07/18/2011  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
Also, check out this link.
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07/18/2011 6:09 pm
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 Posted 07/18/2011  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
haha what the heck. I've never seen that before. That is pretty sweet.
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 Posted 07/18/2011  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augbauer to your friends list
Doubling in MD is flat vs doubling in either DDO / DDR which are extra, moderate and light in thickness with heavy, moderate to light notchings and separated lines.This is only my 1 cent opinion. Yours maybe different.
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 Posted 07/18/2011  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wild Bill to your friends list
this is one of my favorites.....

I have been told that chattering or a vibration occurs as the planchet is being struck that creates some Machine Doubling....



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 Posted 07/18/2011  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
haha grrr I went through a lot of coins thinking I had some DDO but now I'm thinking most are MD. I'll have to get a closer look and probably gotta buy something to help me get a closer look.
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 Posted 07/18/2011  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
That is a good pic of MD wild bill.
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 Posted 07/19/2011  02:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list
This is how I understand it...Both are a type of Doubling...Machine Doubling happens when the dies move and cause the doubling...this causes the flat shelf....Doubled-Dies are actually already on the dies (not sure how they get there) but when its struck...there is no flat shelf...the doubling is the same thickness on both doubled parts.....now I will read all the above links! lol....
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 Posted 07/19/2011  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Jayman: The dies are hubbed to place the design on the die. Before the single squeeze process the dies were annealed and pressed with a hub. They were allowed to rest a day and then hubbed again. Some dies are hubbed a few times others like the larger dies may be hubbed as many as 10 times. The die may have a different hubbing from a die that was not the same hub as used before. Or the hub may have hubbed many dies the day the firest die is created. The hub may have changed shape (warped) or the devices are now distorted from hub wear. When a die is made, they just don't make one die. Hundreds could have been made. The second hubbing could hae rotated from the first hubbing. So each die might be affected or just one die could have been affected. These should be caught when a sample is struck and observed. SOmetimes they are missed and started production.
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 Posted 07/19/2011  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list
Coop-- ...ohhhh...now I get it!
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 Posted 07/20/2011  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Coop, in that last picture, "reverse die used to make cents", that die is not finished yet. It now is turned on a lathe which cuts it down removing the mating notches and giving it a neck that fits inside the collar. It would be helpful to add a picture of a finished rev die. Even better would be pictures of both an anvil and a hammer die so you can see the differences between them.
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07/20/2011 4:47 pm
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 Posted 07/20/2011  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
That I don't have.
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 Posted 07/20/2011  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
I got yer back. Check out this article in Popular Science from February 1943, discussing the new silver alloy nickel. Nice photographs of the whole coining process, including lathing of the dies.
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 Posted 07/23/2011  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list
Great link, captainfwiffo! First time I've seen that and it's bookedmarked now.
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