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My 1-St China Dollar 'Fat Man' 'Yuan Shih Kai' Year 3 (1914)

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 Posted 06/25/2012  07:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tben to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I got my first fat man China dollar, but not 100% sure whether it is real, although I cannot see any problem... its weight is 27.04g. Please advice...

My-1-St-China-Dollar-'Fat-Man'-'Yuan-Shih-Kai'-Year-3-1914

My-1-St-China-Dollar-'Fat-Man'-'Yuan-Shih-Kai'-Year-3-1914

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 Posted 06/25/2012  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There a few fakes of these coins around, but I don't think this one of them.
The genuine ones far outnumber the fakes.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah, this type is famous for fakes.... that's why it is difficult and important to collect a real one. still building confidence...
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 Posted 06/25/2012  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
where did you buy it?

here's a similiar @ 25.5 g ebay 271000844749 ,

(real one should be closer to 26.6)

yours even has a similiar slighlty off center rim along the bottom of the side with the bust

doesn't say replica, doesn't say original - but the seller answered my message within an hour and told me it was in fact a fake.

here is his message:

Dear a.porter,Dear friends hello!The coin is a replica!However, many people do not distinguish out the authenticity ofOnly experts can identify the authenticity ofI sold these coins Material: copper silver-plated!I hope you will enjoy it! - shops_honesty2012

love his seller name...

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 Posted 06/25/2012  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see much to make me think it is a fake, other than the surfaces seem a bit funny- not smooth where I would expect it. I see some evidence of raised dots in the ear details, the eye details, and on the details in the wreath- especially the long leaf at upper left, and the bottom left leaves of the wreath. The edge and around the edge details seem good. Check the weight, check for magnetic, check for silver sound. It does seem a bit weak overall. I would really want to see it personally before I could be sure. There are many counterfeits of this issue, and a lot are much worse than this one.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tben, thanks for the post. I have one also that has me curious.
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I got mine from ebay. As far as I was told, China fat man dollar counterfeits could be real silver and exactly the same weight and dimension... the best way may be the rim checking...but I have no experience at all.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks ok with the edge or the reverse and observe.
I have 4 'fat man' coins, they weigh 27.25 to 27.88 grams respectively(VF to XF grades). I use electronic scale to weigh. Yours is a bit heavier, do you think you weigh it right?
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 Posted 06/26/2012  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hi wonghinghi, mine is 27.04, not heavier than yours....
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 Posted 06/26/2012  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tben, I am terribly sorry, this is typo. My 4 coins range from 26.75 to 26.88.
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 Posted 06/26/2012  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Tben, I am terribly sorry, this is typo. My 4 coins range from 26.75 to 26.88


that's where you want to be

as far as them faking with real silver... the effort wouldn't reflect the return (silver plated maybe), they would make more just selling the silver bullion
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 Posted 06/27/2012  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would never touch this type of coin raw.....I would buy it slabbed by ngc or pcgs
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 Posted 06/27/2012  06:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ngc or pcgs are safer/better for investment, but the slabs prevent me from playing the coin... I like the feeling of touching them, and the challenge of knowledge, and also like to save some budget to buy more genuine/fake raw.....
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 Posted 06/27/2012  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
+++ I totally agree, I cannot stand those plastic boxes, coins were made to be used and handled - I really miss handling them and seeing their edges (even with the new boxes) for those I didn't opened...
And anyway, China is making fake slabs as well :p
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 Posted 10/03/2012  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Strtn2cllct to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi everyone,

I am new here and this forum caught my eye when I was searching for an answer, so I am hoping you guys can help me. I just bought a bunch of coins at a garage sale, a lot of these Fat Man coins. The first thing I did was try a magnet on them, none of them stuck, but when I weighed them they ranged between 18.5 and 20.5g which is less than the official weight. So my question is whether these are worth anything?
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 Posted 10/03/2012  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbreezy85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my link to images is this a real or fake China Fat Man?

My-1-St-China-Dollar-'Fat-Man'-'Yuan-Shih-Kai'-Year-3-1914
My-1-St-China-Dollar-'Fat-Man'-'Yuan-Shih-Kai'-Year-3-1914
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