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Poland
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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I'm in at EF45. agree with the rev abrasion. I was thinking EF40 at first due the wear on the eagle but the obverse is a solid 45 IMO. How about EF43  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Nice! I think that is about fair.
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 Poland
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I thought it was at least AU details:) I looked at PCGS photograde, there's a quarter 1919 rated as the AU and I think my coin has a slightly clearer head, shield center and woman torso. Also, the eagle on the reverse is less detail on the wing (on the right side) and more worn body. Also coins form ebay auctions seems to have less detail. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-Standi...047675.l2557http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-Standi...047675.l2557You think to suggest the photographs of coins of the same vintage or individual approach is necessary in the case of quarters? Please write what you think about the detail of the head, on this auction is a description of a "full head", but I think it is more worn. Forgive those inquiring questions, but I would like to better understand how accurately grade coins. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-Standi...047675.l2557 |
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 United States
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What a beautiful illustration of why so many people think this is the greatest US coin design ever. I'm on the low-AU Details bandwagon here. Yes, the reverse looks a tad less than that, but coins wear on both sides. Unless someone rubbed the reverse on the palm of their hand, continuously, for hours on end, both faces have seen an equal amount of circulation. Therefore, any apparent difference in wear between the two faces (when it's as plain as this one) likely came for a different reason. New/old die pair, possibly. Yes, the "standard" is to "grade to the lower face." Not so sure I buy that any more as the "right" way to do things. One should grade to the actual condition of the coin, the actual amount of circulation it's seen in the real world. Invest the time to evaluate it properly. I'm torn on the FH designation, but the answer is clear. No, it's not FH. Not any more. It was, earlier in circulation. I'd be giggly-pleased to have this one in my collection, and at $75 I consider it well-bought. |
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United States
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the ebay coins you listed are graded by the seller. never, ever go by that. That's why its important to learn these skills so that you can do it yourself. the first coin I would put in the VF35 maybe EF40 (pushing it) area. the second coin is questionable due to the sellers reputation for enhancing items on ebay plus the fact that it was heavily cleaned. you are correct yours is definitely in better condition than both of them, however, these is there is too much circulation wear to classify it as AU. In my opinion an AU coin needs to have some remaining luster and I just don't see that here. Keep searching for knowledge on grading, if you are into SLQ's, study the photograde pics and compare what is different between each of the grades. search out other grading assists as well, such as slabbed coins on ebay and look at those closely, in most cases, the AU and MS grades are the most difficult nail. and by all means use this site to help hone them. I have collected coins for over 45 years and still am learning how to grade. when someone posts a coin here for grading, do not look at the responses. compare the coin yourself, come up with a grade and then look to see how it compares to others. this is how you learn what to look for...hope that helps. |
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United States
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AU50ish sounds right. Not a FH designation as evident by the absence of sprig.
Right leg and shield are the first devices to exhibit wear.
Nice coin!
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Poland
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Thanks for all your responses. Panzaldi - that's why I'm asking you, because I want to learn the basics of grading. I must admit that I often watch the pictures of other coins, but the prices on ebay are very confusing. As you admitted, these coins appear to be worse than mine, but their prices are very high. And those are not isolated incidents on ebay. I found a few coins, which details are similar to my (I'm probably too optimistic :)), but the surface is much better. My coin "live" have a little bit of shine, but no comparison with these coins. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-Standi...047675.l2557http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-Standi...047675.l2557http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-Standi...047675.l2557SsuperDdave - I also think it's one of your most beautiful coins:) Design of obverse is awesome. Edited by thusdayclub
04/18/2013 3:02 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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you can still luster on the 3 posts you list. this is what you want to see on an AU coin. if the luster is not broken up then you most likely are looking at an MS level. Pricing on ebay can be confusing. some coins go for less than their actual value or more, all kinds of folks are bidding on them, some are informed, others not so much. you may see something on a coin that someone else missed and cause them to bid higher. When I bid, I grade the coin myself, research its retail value at that grade and set my bid usually no higher than 70% of that. I do this because if I'm off by a grade, I wont get burned. If I win it and it and it hits my grade when I see it, then I made a good deal. I would rather lose the bid than over grade it. just my way of doing it. Keep doing what you are doing you are on track. it just takes time. it's ok to ask questions, I do it all the time. it's called learning.  |
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United States
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I would say AU50. It has a great strike with the head being close to full. The surface on the reverse looks like someone may have rubbed it with an eraser long ago.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm with PeterPlanchet right at AU50 with a long ago rough scrub on the reverse, pencil eraser could have done it. I tried scrubbing a few older Lincolns with erasers and after a few years the toning came back, there were very tiny lines and looked similar to the reverse on the SLQ shown above. The head is very close to full but that only matters much on higher graded coins in the marketplace, for an AU or EF coin this is a great looking example on the obverse, the reverse is what will hold back any higher grades.
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Valued Member
Poland
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I took new photos, with another light. Now the coin color is closer to the "real world look" (i wrote it correctly?:)) I really like surface toning, but this reverse abrasion is not cool... Too bad that somebody did this. Thanks for all yours opinions, now I know my coin is about XF45-AU50 grade.   |
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Poland
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United States
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This is an AU53 or 55. and might not get a "details" grade for the reverse scuff. Especially when you look at the bars on the shield, light scuff of the shin, and only the highest points have a rub on them. Good buy at 75.
It IS a touch dark, but, very pleasing coin to look at.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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thusdayclub, the videos you posted are not good enough to determine if the coins possess luster. I posted a couple coins here to maybe help you. Here is a Cameo  this SLQ possesses full luster. to me luster has a matte type finish.  this one appears to be cleaned. notice how dull it is  this one appears to have been dipped or polished. notice that nice matte luster is not present, it highly reflective. a lot of times these coins are mistaken for luster. even with toned coins the luster peaks through if its there  |
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United States
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Panzaldi, GREAT examples
Thusdayclub, I am under the mark on most here. I see EF45. I do not see any luster present. It just misses the AU50 mark.
If I might be so bold sir, some input for your education that was guided upon me in the past from the very expert mods and members of our fine community:
Go to ha.com and teletrade. Take your time and peruse the historic hammer drops on these site you'll see enlarged detail photos. Luster will be obvious in the better grades and you'll be able to compare wear patterns. This will be of great assistance to you.
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Posted 04/18/2013 09:31 am
