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 Posted 06/04/2007  2:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add houston_guy462004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Take a look at this offering and the bids if you think a sucker isn't born every minute:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1804-Silver-Dollar_W0QQitemZ170117479358QQihZ007QQcategoryZ11976QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

***Edited by Forum Mom to move to ebay Discussions***
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 Posted 06/04/2007  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unbelievable.
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 Posted 06/04/2007  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What, you don't think it is real?
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 Posted 06/04/2007  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes you wish you could email the victims a slap across the face. Given the way the auction is written, and the fact that the seller has now answered three questions about the coin's origins honestly, I cannot fault anyone but the buyers in this one. Let them waste their money.
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 Posted 06/04/2007  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
P.T. was right back then and he is still right today!

A supreme red flag on any auction is the repeated disclaimers from all angles.
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While I tend to agree with your assessment, I believe it would be more accurate to say: "Incredible! Cotton-headed ninny muggin-ness has no limits." But instead of belittling potential numismatic family members, perhaps we should reach out to both the seller and the bidders to try and save them from themselves.
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 Posted 06/04/2007  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to say that I would rather see the title say "foolishness" or "ignorance" instead of stupidity. The basis of our community is education and tolerance and this could be seen too much as a personal attack on the bidders.

Keep in mind that, while I feel the seller has a responsibility to end the listing now and do more research, the bidders also have a responsibility to educate themselves prior to bidding on something like this.
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 Posted 06/04/2007  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a classic ebay scam, the "I don't know anything about coins scam." People get victimized by their own greed. They are conned into thinking this simple fellow really doesn't know what he's got, and they can get a real rare coin from him for a tiny fraction of its value. This is a tried and true method for getting big money for cheap replicas. The marks forget one of the most important rules of ebay - if it is way too good to be true, it always is.
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 Posted 06/04/2007  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add houston_guy462004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that "stupidity" was a bit strong -- but how in the world can anyone be fooled by this kind of offering to bid more than $150 for a replica coin which, incidentally, I bought for $1.00 plus $3.00 postage. Is greed, or the hope of taking advantage of someone's supposed ignorance and desperation, at play here? Whoever buys it deserves to be burned --- a fool and his money are soon parted.
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quote:
Is greed, or the hope of taking advantage of someone's supposed ignorance and desperation, at play here?


Absolutely. Given that deliberacy on the part of the buyers, the term "ignorance" has no place here. Of course, by the same token "stupidity" does not, either.

Just greed. In my opinion, the high bidder will get precisely what they deserve - an education. And education ain't cheap these days.
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There are lots of variations to the con. It is commonly used when selling tourist replicas of ancient coins on ebay. One variation is "I found this in my grandmother's attic. I don't know what it is, but I am sure it is really old and really valuable."
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It's difficult to figure out whom to blame more for something like this, the buyer or seller.

The seller does represent that he is selling an "1804 silver dollar," so that's a specific factual representation as to what is being sold. It might be just that, but who can tell from those pictures, and he admits he doesn't know for sure.The

The terrible quality pictures and no stated return policy should be red flag warnings. It's impossible for me to believe an experienced E-bay seller can't take better pictures than that. I just bought my sub $200 digital camera about 10 days ago, and with no experience started shhoting and posting clear pictures.

On the other hand, maybe the bidders figure it's worth risking $150 or so becaus eit just might be real.

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 Posted 06/04/2007  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I checked out this listing AND this persons feedback. Seems he is mainly a buyer, not a seller. Also seems that this person fancies ancient chinese jade statues and such. Gee, wonder where he got the coin?

I can't blame this guy one bit, sorry. Whomever bought this got burned for sure, but I really can't blame this seller. The ones that burn me up are the ones that claim to know nothing about coins, but then quote NGC registry graphs in another listing....Anyone old enough and ready to use ebay to buy things must do their own due diligence, or these things will happen.
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 Posted 06/04/2007  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can't blame the guy? I can blame him if he represents that he is selling an "1804 silver dollar" if it is not, in fact, an 1804 silver dollar. That is fraud and misrepresentation. It is theft.

So who would you blame, the buyer? It's their bad because they assumd that an item listed on E-bay was what it was represented to be? If that is true, then E-bay is just a trap for the unwary and it's just buyer beware. I think E-bay just has to police this type of auction better.

As to doing DD, that's rather difficult when E-bay allows pictures that conceal more than they reveal. But that flaw in E-bay's policies is probably just what the seller was counting on.
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 Posted 06/04/2007  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Recognizing the foibles of the seller and bidders, cotton headed ninny muggins seems more than appropriate. Sorry, Susan, just had to give in to a politically incorrect moment. Halfabustisbetter -

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 Posted 06/04/2007  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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If that is true, then E-bay is just a trap for the unwary and it's just buyer beware.


Ding ding ding. Which is why this place is such a great wealth of knowledge. Bottom line, even if this listing seemed perfectly represented to everyone here, that wouldn't have prevented the price from going to this level. I personally don't know too many people that will spend $300 on something without having some clue of what they are getting. If someone has more money than sense, it's hard to figure out who is really to blame.
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