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 Posted 01/10/2014  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know that the RCM contracted to produce cupronickel 5 cent coins under contract to the New Zealand Government, but I don't have information as to what the actual years were.
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 Posted 01/10/2014  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just recently received a similar 1981 penny on an off metal planchet, it's composition is 25% copper and 75% nickel weight 2.79 grams. Twin silver pennies
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 Posted 01/10/2014  06:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice find.
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 Posted 01/10/2014  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
smallcentguy mentioned earlier in the thread that in 1989 36 million new Zealand 5 cents were produced by RCM. it wouldn't be too hard for a planchet to get stuck in a machine or transport bin.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Colonial Acres is selling a 2006 specimen set with a toonie that has a centre core containing titanium instead of aluminum.

Where did THAT come from?
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 Posted 01/11/2014  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there a link for that set?
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 Posted 01/11/2014  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Depends if all 2006 snow owl set toonie core are the same then its not error,
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 Posted 01/11/2014  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Titanium is definitely wrong. The standard alloy was copper/aluminum/nickel.

It could be a goof in the sheet coil. But then you'd think there would be lots and lots of these.



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 Posted 01/11/2014  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes, one would guess that if there is one core with this alloy, probably many more like a whole rolls worth of these cores.
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If that analysis is right I assume it probably is then thats a nice error set well worth the money, IMO. Although without an analysis you would never know. There has to be more out there unless it was a single planchet mix up. wish there was an app. for that lol
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There is nothing wrong or abnormal with that Twoonie being offered. The problem is with the analysis that was conducted on it. If you use an old Russian-built XRF, you can expect titanium in just about everything you analyze (titanium alloys are used to shield radiation, the interior shielding of most XRF machines)... I have tested these twoonies with multiple instruments, and even tested one whereby the twoonie was taken apart - they are not compositionally different.

I have told Lower Canada Auctions about this, who sold one at Torex last year, but it fell on deaf ears. I have also had discussions with Bill Cross, who refuses to acknowledge this "titanium twoonie" even exists, unless one of these Russian-XRF tested examples (which all come from one collector) was sent to me for both quantitative SEM analysis and a test on my XRF.

In summary, save your money. You can find these "whitish-cored" Twoonies in many different years of Specimen and PL sets....
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Spp to the rescue..lol Glad you chimed in and informed us. I take it back what I said about worth it - "Not worth the money"
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I just received my penny back from SPP - Ottawa. what a great guy for testing it and confirming it as a new zealand 5 cent planchet. he also estimated its value between $100 - $150 and graded it AU scratched. the xrf machine confirmed 73% copper and 27% nickel. thanks SPP-Ottawa!
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@SPP: That accounts for the false titanium. But where did the aluminum go? The claimed percentages add to 100%.

Are these Russian XRF at all reliable?

Without a TPG certification, how could you know you even get the tested set? Did CA verify? Some guy comes in with a set and an XRF results sheet, and they bought it?

Does CA expect you to go out an verify the XRF? Will they refund when it fails?
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