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Fake 1803 Chile 2 Reales Out Of Spain

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Pillar of the Community
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 Posted 04/03/2014  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, to the genius lurkers who feel the need to alert sellers to threads like this - congratulations, good job.

Yeimi - much of what I see you listing (which, again, was simply purchased from others on eBay) is genuine. And, yes, the 1813 and 1815 Santiago 8R (221377057581 and 221393688101) you listed are both genuine... Of course, HOW you managed to get $600+ for not amazingly rare dates in sort of average condition is... highly curious.

However, that "1799 Santiago" 2 Reales that you pulled down is a perfect discussion piece. WHY did you ever offer that in the first place? The design is completely wrong... the fact that it slipped past you at all shows that you quite frankly have little idea of what you are looking at.

Then, also, you bought that piece in "a lot" - do you suppose that maybe everything else you bought along with that piece (or from the same source) might have to be scrutinized more carefully? Where there is one, there are often others.

So, it's nice that you claim you do not knowingly sell anything fake... but if you don't have that much knowledge about the coins in general, that doesn't mean much. And that is the best case scenario, assuming you are as honest as you claim... and that is not even addressing the prices some of your pieces are ending at.
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France
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 Posted 04/04/2014  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeimi, glad to find you here.

I am the guy which gave you a neutral rating.
I explained it to you, on the two auction I participated - which were on genuine coins - I had a seller bidding on your items only (75%), retracting from auctions (5 if I remember well), with two stars only ... which was popping around putting bids and inflating prices.
I gave you the benefice of the doubt, PLUS that didn't costed me much (compared to other bidders which came in) - hence the neutral (not negative) rating.

I checked again yesterday, I didn't saw that shill bidder since I reported it to you ... that's a good point.
I still saw bad practices from you though, for example for a Segovia 2 reales, which you removed from auction because the price didn't went up as expected.

Regarding the santiago 8 reales, it was reported numerous times, pulled by eBay, you can't tell us you were not aware. Feel free to give reference to an auction / auction house so we can trace it to them.

Last but not least, we have also been discussing about fake coins you listed on facebook, on the fake spanish coin group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/monedafalsa

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Spanish version (thanks google plus my fixes)
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Yeimi, me alegro de encontrarte aquí.

Yo soy el hombre que te dio una calificación neutral.
Se lo expliqué a usted, sobre las dos de la subasta que participé - que estaban en las monedas genuinas - Vi vendedor pujar por sus artículos sólo (75%), retrayendo de las subastas (5 si no recuerdo mal), con sólo dos estrellas ... que fue apareciendo alrededor poniendo ofertas e inflar los precios.
Te di el beneficio de la duda, PLUS que no me costó mucho (en comparación con otros oferentes que entraron en) - de ahí el (no negativo) Evaluación neutral.

Lo comprobé de nuevo ayer, yo no vi que el licitador cómplice desde que informé a usted ... que es un buen punto.
Todavía me vi malas prácticas de usted, sin embargo, por ejemplo, para un Segovia 2 reales, que ha extraído de la subasta porque el precio no subió como se esperaba.

En cuanto a los santiago 8 reales, se informó de numerosas veces y tirado por eBay, no puede decirnos que no eran conscientes. Siéntase libre de dar referencia a una casa de subastas / subasta para que podamos rastrear a ellos.

Por último, pero no menos importante, también hemos estado discutiendo acerca de las monedas falsas que enumeró en facebook, en el grupo de la moneda española falsa.


Realeswatcher : google may be that genius ;)
Edited by MathieuMa
04/04/2014 02:53 am
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Spain
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 Posted 04/04/2014  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Juste to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi..yes I know you are the guy that gave me a neutral vote...well, I think you received a nice medal for a good price, if you thought in a vote negative or neutral after received the medal...better you don´t buy any coin or medal from me..

yes, I was not happy with your neutral vote..

yes, in some occasions..i retired some coin or medal because the price is very very low..i am a seller and I can assume some small lost money...but not too much money lost..i will change my work form in eBay..

i am new in eBay like seller and I try put to sell good and interesting coins or medals and it is not easy in eBay..

about american fake coins, for example yesterday searching information about this fake coins, was like I found this forum and this message...

regarding 8 reales from santiago, this coin was bought in Soler & LLach..and I have not any confirmation about if this is a fake coin..of fact this coin was bought by a expert numismatic from america..

here my ex-coin:
http://www.ebay.es/itm/221393688101....m1559.l2649

here the same coin with the "certified" auction:


regards..
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United States
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 Posted 04/04/2014  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
google.es... "did anyone realize my 1803 Santiago was fake?" annnnnnddd .... enter. :->

Mat, what made you think the 1813 or 1815 Santiago 8R pieces (if that was what you were talking about) aren't legit? They both look genuine... though again, they sold way high - implausibly high. That 1815 hammered for €115 + BP last year in a major auction!!

Yeimi, whether you find getting material easy or hard - just remember that there is a right way and a wrong way to do things...
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 Posted 04/04/2014  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
realeswatcher : I never said that one was fake, it was a prior coin - I'll try to find it.

Yemei : retiring a coin is one thing (bad, but well ...) - but doing shill bidding is off limit. Oddly, since my neutral vote, I didn't saw any shill bidding on your items.
Fake items you sold, for example : 221378068313 & 221378046132 & 221378051994 (strangely, those are no more available online - unlike some others)

EDIT : I was wrong actually, another fake you had was not from Santiago, but from Nuevo Guatemala.
Here it is : http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-S...221368568535
Edited by MathieuMa
04/04/2014 5:44 pm
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Spain
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 Posted 04/04/2014  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Juste to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
so..this coin also is fake? why?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-S...221368568535
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 Posted 04/04/2014  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For accuracy, we are speaking of (what purports to be) a rare Popayan mint Colombia 1814 8 Reales - the "common" date of the type, but still easily four figures (USD or Euros) at auction in average circulated condition:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-S...221368568535

The piece is a known fake - it does not warrant further discussion (a few years late on that). The fact that you are even asking about this... let alone trying to sell it for over $5K - yeesh!

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 Posted 04/04/2014  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, those numbers Mat mentioned go back to the thread about the 1807 Mo portrait 8R with the matching raised bits
http://goccf.com/t/171175

I could "almost" forgive something like that from a novice coin seller (though once you start selling seriously, as Yeimi clearly intends to do, being a novice isn't a good enough excuse)... it is in theory conceivable that you would assume that they look enough like silver from a casual glance, and they're not rare... you really shouldn't have to worry much about fakes, right? That SHOULDN'T be the verification process, but I could see where it MAY happen...

However, common sense... once you start dealing with rarer/more expensive material, things need to be scrutinized carefully... Instead, we have a seller trying to sell a "$5000 coin" and naively asking "fake? really?"

Once again, "see no evil, hear no evil" out of more than a few Spain sellers... a curious phenomenon.
Edited by realeswatcher
04/04/2014 7:56 pm
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France
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 Posted 04/18/2014  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gentlement, I got some new from you regarding that seller.
As many of you know, I maintain a facebook group dedicated to fake spanish coins (and now south american as well - we just extended and have two new admins, one of them being Ralf Bopple).
Yesterday, someone called "monedasexclusivas" started putting the mess there, and I ended getting threats from him.
After some investigation, it seems that this guy is related to YeimiVigo : I got the address of the two (received a coin from Yeimi, and I know some who bought from monedasexclusivas) - they are the exact same ones.
He did participate in the last Cayon auction, bought many coins there and is reselling those for 4X the price on todocollecion ( -> http://www.todocoleccion.net/usuari...asexclusivas ) ... you can find coins from Yeimi in his inventory.
I'm also currently checking a coin bought from a friend from him, which also looks fake ...

To sum up : that guy is a flipper yes, but he also know what he is doing.

So everyone can see how it went, here is the end of our discussion :
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Mathieu: Y como muchas veces indicadas, si usted encuentra una moneda de cuestiones, publicar y discutir sobre ello. Todavía estoy esperando a que - por ahora todo lo que estoy escuchando son diatribas sin discusión.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: sea un estafador o lo que sea
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: tu no tienes que hablar ni mencionar a nadie
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Yo te voy a callar a ti la bocaza que tienes
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: dejando en evidencia
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: tus conocimientos numismaticos
Mathieu: Todo lo que hago está discutiendo sobre monedas. Me resulta interesante ver que algunos pueblos no les gusta ese tipo de grupo.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: para tu decir lo que es bueno o malo publicamente
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Mucha gente se rie de ti
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: y eso no se publica
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: y la gente que entiende de monedas no esta en foros de niños
Mathieu: Nunca dije que yo era un especialista. Compré falsificaciones, compro falsificaciones menos recientemente. Eso es todo, y estoy enojado para ver los pueblos que caen para las falsificaciones. De ahí que este grupo, con Dan Sedwick y Glen Murray.
Mathieu: Esos pueblos puedan venir y Lough aquí, no me importa.
Mathieu: En realidad, eso estaría bien, siempre estoy tratando de aprender (de mis errores, entre otras cosas)
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Pues mientras aprendes
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: no juzgues
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: ni hablas mal de nadie
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: por que mucha
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: mucha gente
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: te tiene ganas
Mathieu: Bueno, usted tiene que decidir cuando se echa una moneda: es todo lo correcto. Y hablar de ello. Cuando tengo dudas, por eso me gusta (a veces incluso para mí mismo, para comprar las monedas).
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Tu no puedes decir que una moneda es falsa por que tu crees que es mala
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: y tu por creer
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: no puedes mencionar a un profesional+
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: diciendo que vende monedas falsas
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: por que hablas mal de la gente?
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: que se te perdio en España para venir y hablar mal de la gente
Mathieu: No me importa si el vendedor es un profesional o no. Me preocupo por la moneda.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: tu no tienes que publicar nada publicamente
Mathieu: lol
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: y menos con el nombre de nadie
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: por que un dia
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: vas a tener un problema
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: grave
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: por hablar cosas que ni sabes
Mathieu: ok, así que supongo que nos detendremos aquí. Puedo publicar lo que quiera en público, siempre y cuando el tema que estamos discutiendo son accesibles al público.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: te vas a meter en un problema
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: yo te hable bien
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: y te explique
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: ahora tu haz lo que te de la gana
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: conmigo no va
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: el dia que te metas conmigo
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: ya hablaremos tu y yo
Mathieu: Creo que voy a publicar nuestra discusión sobre el grupo, no me gusta estar amenazado.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: puedes publicarlo
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: TEN CUIDADO POR QUE UN DIA VAS A TENER PROBLEMAS POR HABLAR MAL DE LA GENTE PUBLICAMENTE SOLO POR CREER QUE UNA MONEDA ES FALSA, CUANDO EN REALIDAD TIENE CERTIFICADO DE AUTENTICIDAD BURRO!
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: PUBLICA ESO!
Mathieu: Sure, I'll do
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: BURRO IGNORANTE
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Y QUE TE QUEDE CLARO FRANCHUTE
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: QUE NO SABES CON QUIEN HABLAS
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: CUIDATE
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Burro!
Mathieu: Miguel Juste - from Vigo ... cool
Mathieu: Yeimi Vigo is your eBay pseudo I suppose.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Miguel Juste
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Ese es mi nombre
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Estupido
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Y recuerdalo siempr
Mathieu: sure, I know that
Mathieu: and you indeed had fakes in your inventory - I was not the only one to figure that out.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Por que arrieros somos y en el camino nos encontraremos
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Yo no soy la señorita yeimi duran
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: No te confundas
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Nuevamente estas metiendo la pata
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Burro!
Mathieu: I don't lie, just trying to figure out which of your coin I did criticize
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: QUE RIDICULO ERES
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: NOS ENCONTRAREMOS
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: EN ALGUNA CONVENCCION
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: Y YA LO HABLAREMOS EN PERSONA
Mathieu: Claro, no hay problema, siempre y cuando sólo se habla.
Mathieu: Yo no le di su nombre y otras informaciones. Entraste en esto por sí solo, que usted fijó en una pared pública ... ese no es mi problema.

Antes de que vinieras jodiendo públicamente (como te darás cuenta, me quedo tranquilo) - nadie tenía problemas.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: ME HACE GRACIA QUE TENGAS LOS HUEVOS DE HABLAR Y CRITICAR A LA GENTE TRAS LA PANTALLA DE UN ORDENADOR EN LA CUAL NO TENGAS NI FOTO COBARDE!!
Mathieu: Nunca te critiqué (hasta donde yo sé).
Mathieu: Usted está de paso por un coño en línea solo, con tu actitud.
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: TU NO PUEDES HABLAR MAL DE NADIE, MUCHO MENOS MENCIONAR EL NOMBRE DE NADIE Y MUCHISIMO MENOS DECIR QUE UNA MONEDA ES FALSA POR QUE NO TENGAS NI IDEA DE LO QUE DICES
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: NO TE LO VOLVERE A DECIR
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: TU PUEDES OPINAR
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: NO AFIRMAR
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: ERES EL REY DE LOS FOROS DE NILOS
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: NI'OS
Mathieu: Tal vez se le olvidó de leer la regla del lugar.
Mathieu: -> Por favor no publique temas afirmativa diciendo que una moneda es falsa, a menos que esté 100% seguro (si no es el caso, publicar el caso y pedir opiniones): no estamos aquí para dañar la reputación del vendedor (vendedores serán notificados si uno de su moneda se encuentra que es falso).

Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: TAL VEZ
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: VALE
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: YA NOS ENCONTRAREMOS
Venta De Monedas Exclusivas: A VER SI LO ENTIENDES
Mathieu: Y de nuevo, no me importa si soy un novato. Todo el mundo es un novato en comparación con otros. Estoy dispuesto a lear, siempre.
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 Posted 04/28/2014  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneditis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Added if you agree MathieuMa your description in http://moneditis.com/2014/04/28/falsas-en-ebay/
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France
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 Posted 04/28/2014  03:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No worries, you can :)

Maybe just add a comment stating that he also sells genuine coins (most of his are).
He actually bought a lot of coins from the latest Cayon auction, and is trying to resell those for at least twice what he paid (up to 4 times).
In the middle of those, you'll find Chinese clones (among other things) - maybe this story will make him think twice about it. As a side-note, I bought him some coins, which are genuine (the only issue I had is that a secondary low-grade account was bidding on his stuffs - and only his - inflating prices ... hopefully that was a couple of bucks story, so it didn't went further than a neutral rating)
Edited by MathieuMa
04/28/2014 03:45 am
Pillar of the Community
France
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 Posted 07/06/2014  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeimivigo is back under another name : http://www.ebay.es/usr/alicia08alicia
For now everything is fine, but it will be a pleasure to check out her coin :)
Hopefully, we won't see fakes again.

PS : eBay is a nightmare lately, fakes are no more taken down after reports ... new buyers should take great caution (in general, not regarding this account which has two nice coins as of now) !
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