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Valued Member
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For the obverses id honestly go,
MS63 obviously...the obverse looks much better than the reverse
XF40
Vf20
VF30 cleaned.
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Pillar of the Community
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Uncle Luc, had I NOT disclosed the Grade of Coin A, would you have still said MS63?  if so, what about coin B. the obv is at least equal or better, purely graded on what it is. Not eye appeal. |
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I wish you hadn't disclosed it just yet because that was one of the coins I was on the fence about. Honestly I wouldn't have said MS63, I most likely would have said MS60. As for coin B, I feel like it suffers a small amount of wear in the hair detail to the left of the bun. This may just be a lighting effect but I feel like coin A is a much, much better piece. Id also like to add that coin B has a really nice die crack at 2:00. Again, lighting conditions on such a good camera casues tricks on the eyes, so In person it might look like an AU.. All four coins are beautiful none the less.
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Grade of the slabbed, pix A, is PCGS MS63.. Judging by the prongs holding that coin, you must mean NGC MS-63...?That is not a PCGS holder. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Sorry SPP, u are right this morning I just guessed.  this coin was on my ebay list and the original is deleted now. it sold for a lot of $$, more than I would have paid. for a coin not better than 58 IMO. just look at the missing details for a 63? Nor here, nor there: what about the crown?
and the leaf to rim distances? and please... this is not a photographic or lightning trick or any other misleadings! what u see is how it is! Perhaps others have one to compare with. All the ones I have (6) are like coin B. Edited by 47P7
02/02/2015 2:49 pm
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You have not said anything about Coin B, which was also in another thread... why does it look so odd?
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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SPP, I have no idea. when I purchased coin B it lookedexactly like this. weight is correct, dimensions are correct. it looks in all ways like the others I have. Perhaps u think it is odd because of a dark spot on the nose. sort of changes the appearance I guess. here is a image with adjusted contrast. maybe it looks better? Just a dumb guess: is it possible that it is / was a SP? try and think the carbon marks away. and then take another look at this pix  |
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If it was a specimen proof, I don't think it would have a die crack.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree...what is that on Victoria's neck?..scratch?
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Perhaps others have one to compare with. All the ones I have (6) are like coin B. This is one that I have to help compare with..   The obverse has a DP "D".. |
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Vickies neck has a piece of threat on it.. maybe someone wanted to strangle her... lololo
NOW, please look at the crown on coin A !
compare my marks and compare the leaf distances to the rim with marked coin to Coin B.
DEV, your coin is like coin B.
AU 55? nice 1858!
Edited by 47P7
02/02/2015 9:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Regarding the crown jewel on the reverse-----I have looked at about 400-500 coins and about 2% have complete details of the top jewel. They have no effect on grading decisions ---just like the known characteristic of weakly struck N and 5,last 8.
Another common features of the coin is sever doubling of the obverse D and E of DEI ---the letters are severely "twisted" ---This happens on about 7% of the coins.
This coin could be a great book study--- 50 dies for the obverse---66 for the reverse.
Another feature of the coin has a die pit dot roughly 50% between the A of REGINA and the separator DOT. EVERY coin has it, to much varying degrees---check your coin !
All in all a very interesting coin
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Grading by Charlton for this Vicky is ------MS60 (UGLY) no wear---Your A coin is a beauty, therefore MS63. Initial grade MS65 less a couple of points for I know not what.
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Thank you L ambcolinI respect your expertise. But your high grading? well, it is an opinion.. just like all the others. so, what you are saying is this, if I understand it right: it does not matter that half of the crown details are different, like the Jewells double the size of normal. and it does not matter that the leaf distance and the actual leaves are different? ok, if it is another die, then why are such obvious details not listed as a variety? lots of other coins with lesser obvious differences are listed. I know what some of you will now say... : get it listed... well, well... unfortunately I am not one of the people who can get a variety listed. a few years back I tried to get an obvious Variety listed.... it is just like  It seems to be much more important to list all the "artificial" varieties of the NCLT which the mint created purposely (IMO) . |
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47P7...are you worrying about authenticity on coin B?
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