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 Posted 06/15/2016  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Errors haven't been of that much interest to me, at least insofar as making an effort to seek them out. Largely this is because my interest in collecting has mostly been what can be found in circulation, and as Steve suggested, the BEP is very efficient at preventing most mistakes from ever leaving the production facilities. Still, I've found a few notes in circulation that would be considered errors and have saved them for fun, like this note with a partially rolled suffix letter:



I'm especially intrigued by more subtle errors, like Steve's BP 129 error. Not sure why, exactly. Maybe it's because I like the idea that the error is hiding in plain sight. To the casual observer, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong; you'd have to be familiar with the currency production process to realize that something is amiss.

This note is another example of an error hiding in plain sight.



The error is that the serial number should not exist. The third run of Series 2006 $1 B-* notes was set up as a partial run of 20,000 sheets, to span serials 06400001 to 07040000. The next run of Series 2006 $1 B-* notes was also a partial run of 20,000 sheets, spanning serials 09600001 to 10240000. The remainder of the serial range for the third run -- 07040001 to 09600000 -- would have been used if that run had been set up as a full run of 100,000 sheets, but the remainder of that range was not used since the run comprised only 20,000 sheets. So how did this note come to be?

To my knowledge, there are a couple of possibilities, but I don't know which is the more likely. It turns out that when the third run of B-* notes was set up for serialing, the numbering wheels of every fifth plate position (i.e., E1, B2, G2, D3, A4 and F4) were either initially set incorrectly or else they did not rotate properly once serial overprinting began. Those plate positions corresponded to starting serials of 06500000, 06600000, 06700000, 06800000, 06900000 and 07000000. Sheets are serialed in descending order, so once serialing began, the next serials of those six plate positions should have gone down by 1 to 06499999, 06599999, 06699999, 06799999, 06899999 and 06999999. But either the third numbering wheel was initially set too high by 100,000 (e.g., PP E1's first serial was set at 06600000 instead of 06500000, resulting in PP E1's second serial becoming 06599999 instead of 06499999) or else the third numbering wheel failed to rotate when the countdown began (e.g., PP E1's first serial started (correctly) at 06500000 but then the 5 did not rotate to 4 when the trailing 0s rotated to 9, resulting in PP E1's second serial becoming 06599999 instead of 06499999).

This necessarily resulted in notes whose serials did not correspond to their plate position. PP G2 in a 20,000-sheet run, for example, is supposed to have serials spanning 06680001 to 06700000 (in the case of a third run of star notes). But run 3 Series 2006 $1 B-* notes from PP G2 span serials 06780001 to 06800000, a range that is supposed to be from PP D3.

A significant implication of this 100,000-serial "shift" is the complete absence of notes in the serial range of 06480001 to 06500000. That range is supposed to belong to PP E1, but notes from PP E1 have serials in the range 06580001 to 06000000 instead. Another significant implication is that 20,000 serials on the opposite end of the run are thrown outside of the published serial range of run. The range that belongs to PP F4 is supposed to be 06980001 to 07000000, but instead, notes from PP F4 have serials in the range 07080001 to 07100000 -- above the published high serial for the run! The note pictured here, from PP F4, is from that outlying serial range. Hence I think of this note as an error hiding in plain sight!
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 Posted 06/16/2016  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one is for you xxJOExx ......sister note by 4 serial numbers.

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 Posted 06/16/2016  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice!
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 Posted 06/16/2016  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cool 50





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 Posted 06/17/2016  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ xxJOExx

As I read your 2006 B-Star Note info, the brain cells from my 1969 Woodstock Era hippie days kicked in & confused me..

After confirming your serial number does not match the Plate Position, I went to (uspapermoney,info's website) to better understand the 2006 B-(star), Run #3 information..

I found it a little easier understanding their posting on this Run and thought I would share it here (just wish I would have known this when the notes were first released into circulation)..

Credit uspapermoney.info on the following;


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Run #3 of the New York star notes, in the October 2008 production, suffered a fairly bizarre serialling error. The BEP reported printing serials B 064 00001 * through B 070 40000 *, but observed notes show that every fifth plate position of this run (positions E1, B2, G2, D3, A4, F4) received serial numbers that were too high by 100,000. Also, of the 20,000 sheets that the BEP reported printing, only 10,000 appear to have been issued. The result is that the high serial number actually printed was above the reported high, but many gaps exist with the serial range of the run: apparently only 320,000 notes were issued from this range of 690,000 serials. For the details, see the group list for this series.



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Additionally, many (likely all) of the notes with serials B 067 10001 * through B 067 20000 * are mismatched serial errors: In the right-hand serial number, the first digit '0' is replaced by a '2'.


(Found this listed on eBay for $750)



Plate position breakdown for 2006 B-(star), run #3



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B 064 10001 * - B 064 20000 * dc ? 10,000 3:A1
B 064 30001 * - B 064 40000 * dc ? 10,000 3:B1
B 064 50001 * - B 064 60000 * dc ? 10,000 3:C1
B 064 70001 * - B 064 80000 * dc ? 10,000 3:D1
B 065 10001 * - B 065 20000 * dc ? 10,000 3:F1
B 065 30001 * - B 065 40000 * dc ? 10,000 3:G1
B 065 50001 * - B 065 60000 * dc ? 10,000 3:H1
B 065 70001 * - B 065 80000 * dc ? 10,000 3:A2
B 065 90001 * - B 066 00000 * dc ? 10,000 3:E1 [!]
B 066 10001 * - B 066 20000 * dc ? 10,000 3:C2
B 066 30001 * - B 066 40000 * dc ? 10,000 3:D2
B 066 50001 * - B 066 60000 * dc ? 10,000 3:E2
B 066 70001 * - B 066 80000 * dc ? 10,000 3:F2
B 066 90001 * - B 067 00000 * dc ? 10,000 3:B2 [!]
B 067 10001 * - B 067 20000 * dc ? 10,000 3:H2
B 067 30001 * - B 067 40000 * dc ? 10,000 3:A3
B 067 50001 * - B 067 60000 * dc ? 10,000 3:B3
B 067 70001 * - B 067 80000 * dc ? 10,000 3:C3
B 067 90001 * - B 068 00000 * dc ? 10,000 3:G2 [!]
B 068 10001 * - B 068 20000 * dc ? 10,000 3:E3
B 068 30001 * - B 068 40000 * dc ? 10,000 3:F3
B 068 50001 * - B 068 60000 * dc ? 10,000 3:G3
B 068 70001 * - B 068 80000 * dc ? 10,000 3:H3
B 068 90001 * - B 069 00000 * dc ? 10,000 3:D3 [!]
B 069 10001 * - B 069 20000 * dc ? 10,000 3:B4
B 069 30001 * - B 069 40000 * dc ? 10,000 3:C4
B 069 50001 * - B 069 60000 * dc ? 10,000 3:D4
B 069 70001 * - B 069 80000 * dc ? 10,000 3:E4
B 069 90001 * - B 070 00000 * dc ? 10,000 3:A4 [!]
B 070 10001 * - B 070 20000 * dc ? 10,000 3:G4
B 070 30001 * - B 070 40000 * dc ? 10,000 3:H4
B 070 90001 * - B 071 00000 * dc ? 10,000 3:F4 [!]
[run 3 of the B..* block was serialled incorrectly,]
[ with six different plate positions receiving the ]
[ wrong serial ranges; additionally, the run was ]
[ reported as printed for sheets, but numerous full]
[ straps are known, so at least part was for notes;]
[ further, the BEP reported printing 20,000 sheets,]
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 Posted 06/20/2016  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Series 2006 B-* run 3 was an amazingly mixed up mess! It's hard to understand how it could have had so many problems that went unnoticed.

Cool note Steve!
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 Posted 07/06/2016  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pesafa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey guys,

what about this one, worth slabbing or not? Uncirculated but the error is just very common miscut, star note though.



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 Posted 07/08/2016  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't offer an opinion to your question, but that is one cool-looking note!
Interesting, too, that it is from a sheet-replacement run, meaning it was inserted to replace a single sheet from regular production prior to cutting rather than having been produced to replace a whole strap of notes.
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 Posted 07/13/2016  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you expand this thread to include Global Error notes, I have a unique (only one confirmed from a 40 subject sheet) Bank of England 20 Pound note that was rejected with blue marker and removed after receiving 2 sets of serial numbers, then somehow re-entered the production line and received a 3rd set of serial numbers printed over the blue rejection marks.. I had this certified in 2006 when PMG knew error notes..

Then I have 2 bank of Pakistan Double Serial Number errors on 1,000 Rupee Notes that was purchased back in 2007 that I recently submitted to PMG..

Unlike my 2006 submission, PMG today knows nothing (IMO) on Pakistan currency as they lowered a C/U Note down to AU50, and the only reason I can think of is that they labeled it as having "Pin Holes" when in fact, Pakistan issued these Stapled in Books of 100 Notes, and this book had 2 Staples..
They also didn't know how to confirm the serial numbers..

Needles to say, instead of complaining & resubmitting as I had done in the recent past, I decided to make the necessary changes on both holders myself..

I net graded the AU55 down to EF45 and increased the AU50 to CU (as staple holes should not be considered when grading a note)..

I hold many Global Error coins and only the above 3 notes..
I don't bother to post them in the other Forums as I have found very little interest with what I did post in the past from other members..

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 Posted 07/13/2016  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That 2009A $100 New York star is VERY COOL, and if it were mine, I would get it slabbed.
Very unusual miscut. Was that a circulation find @pesafa ?
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 Posted 07/19/2016  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pesafa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
was waiting for your reply Steve. :)

Taken out from a fresh pack if I am not mistaken, but not by me.
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 Posted 07/20/2016  03:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a good-looking and unusual note.

Can we be sure it wasn't chopped (carefully and neatly) from a sheet?
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 Posted 07/20/2016  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgDigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pesafa, It hurts to look at it its so good ! Star to boot. Congrats, AG D
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 Posted 07/20/2016  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Can we be sure it wasn't chopped (carefully and neatly) from a sheet?


The BEP sells $100 sheets, but so far they have all been the LF-A block.
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 Posted 07/22/2016  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cool 50$ error



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