RCNA Member Selling Counterfeit Canadian NCLT

NO apology is required and I thank you for bringing this to the attention of the forum

There are many members on this site that are very passionate about this hobby and take it very personally when anything or anyone threatens to harm it.

sophiew-
I too would like to say that no apology is necessary. You did what was right. If I had seen that kijiji listing first,
I would have done the same thing. As it was I reported it to kijiji and informed them of the ramifications of selling counterfeit coins (as I have done many times before). I don't know if this had anything to do with Mr. Cutlers decision to remove the listing, but the main thing is it was removed.
As far as paying $20.00 for the set, then he overpaid as I have heard that they go for about $6.00 directly from China.
For some reason he does not seem to realize that the law was broken when he purchased the coins and brought them into Canada. Stamping them "copy" does not correct this.
As one of the members of CCF who checks ebay listings everyday and reports fradulent listings to bobby to have this garbage removed, I can only state my disappointment in Colin Cutler.
After whatever sanctions are imposed, they will be only brought on by his own actions.
Ignorance of rules and law does not make it okay to break them.

PS
I know that I am repeating some of what has been said
by other members, but after months of working with bobby
to get these Counterfeit Superman Sets removed from ebay, it has been frustrating
to see a fellow Canadian coin collector reintroduce them in Canada.

Curious as to what the RCMP will do with them. That is, what is the official procedure for dealing with surrendered items? Fact please, not opinions.

Do we have any former Members here? I know there was at least one a few years ago but I haven't seen him post in a long time.

I was told by the RCMP officer who took them that they would be destroyed along with the drugs, guns and other illegal items that they have.

On page 7, he stated that he turned them over to the RCMP and posted a receipt.

RCNA Code of Ethics 2.04
http://www.rcna.ca/bylaws.pdf
"I agree not to sell, exhibit, produce, nor advertise counterfeits, copies, restrikes, or reproductions of any numismatic items, even if bearing such stampings, including any reproductions of current circulating currency, non circulating legal tender ("NCLT"), and ancient to modern demonetized currency, or any reproductions of numismatic-related exonumia (i.e. tokens, medals/medallions, scrip), notaphily (i.e. paper/plastic currency, banknotes, cheques, credit cards), or scripophily (i.e. stocks and bond certificates). Excepted from the above are government and other official restrikes/re-issues, and items historically recognized as numismatic collectibles, and accepted by the numismatic community as such, and printed items that are either less than 75 percent or greater than 150 percent in size of actual pieces.........(more)."

I would have to dis-agree with the RCMP officer who took the coins, his/her stance stating they felt it would be ok to have them. To me upon surrendering them it was not said that they were trying to be sold, hence the reply of being ok to have them, after the fact of reading the rules set forth by the RCNA. That knowledge clearly defies the rules set in place by the RCNA which in turn I believe are deemed so, according to current laws set about, regarding counterfeit coins from production to ownership and all areas in between. Except for the ones mentioned that are allowed within the coin collecting community and have laws protecting the rights of such.

If in fact it was explained that this set was offered for sale and then the RCMP officer read the rules and arrived at that conclusion. It's a case of either the bar's set to low for entry to the RCMP, or perhaps it's nickels and dimes to them and not worth their while and are leaving it up to the collecting community to self police.............written laws.


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I agree not to sell, exhibit, produce, nor advertise counterfeits, copies, restrikes,
or reproductions of any numismatic items, even if bearing such stampings,
including any reproductions of current circulating currency, non circulating legal
tender ("NCLT"), and ancient to modern demonetized currency, or any
reproductions of numismatic-related exonumia (i.e. tokens, medals/medallions,
scrip), notaphily (i.e. paper/plastic currency, banknotes, cheques, credit cards), or
scripophily (i.e. stocks and bond certificates). Excepted from the above are
government and other official restrikes/re-issues, and items historically
recognized as numismatic collectibles, and accepted by the numismatic
community as such, and printed items that are either less than 75 percent or
greater than 150 percent in size of actual pieces, or are clearly identified as
"souvenir cards" and are printed on a different media than the originals; and,
excepted from the above are government agencies, crown corporations, or
employees thereof, and knowledgeable experts in counterfeits or counterfeiting,