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http://www.kijiji.ca/v-art-collecti...t/1123704884Whenever I see Chinese sellers selling counterfeit coins, I generally ignore it because there's nothing you can do about it. But when I see someone in Canada selling counterfeits. It makes my blood boil. You wouldn't print a counterfeit $20 bill and sell it online, so why would you think it's ok to do so with a coin that is also legal tender and accepted at banks. Then I learned this guy is a member of the RCNA, he's an actual collector and not just someone looking to make a quick buck. I am beyond angry that a fellow numismatist would have so much disrespect for his own hobby. His arguments don't make sense. Because banks aren't bound by law to accept these counterfeit coins for deposit, it must be ok to pass them off/sell them. This is his response to Kijiji ad when I confronted him about these fake coins. His name is Colin Cutler and after a quick Google search, he indeed is involved in coin shows and events like the RCNA and has won awards for his "counterfeit" displays. Quote:"I am a big collector of counterfeit coins and it is LEGAL to own these. I recently exhibited my counterfeit Canadian coins at the Ontario Numismatic Association Convention in Kitchener Ontario and the exhibit won 1st place in the Canadian coin category. This exhibit will also be going to the RCNA Convention in July in Ottawa. Have you ever tried to deposit any of the NCLT coins into a bank or spend them? The Bank Of Canada contracts with the mint to make the coins for circulation. All of the other non circulating coins made by the mint must have a face value on them by law but there is no obligation by the Bank of Canada to accept them as currency." Edited by sophiew
05/04/2016 5:39 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Can this really be legal? I find it hard to believe.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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That guy is full of it. Quote:
According to Canada's Criminal Code (sections 448-450), making, selling and uttering counterfeit legal tender coins - both circulating and non-circulating - is illegal in this country; convictions lead to up to 14 years in jail. As such, the Mint works with law enforcement around the world to help quickly authenticate potential counterfeits. http://canadiancoinnews.com/counter...-collectors/ |
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Maybe if we all email him on that Kijiji ad, heck get the message. *facepalm
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05/04/2016 6:38 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I avoid this seller based on previous experiences, a few years back.
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So basically, if this is true, the ONA and RCNA are allowing a criminal to display his wares at their conventions and encouraging his behavior by bestowing awards. Somebody please say it ain't so. What a sorry situation for this hobby. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I have no idea as to any past or future involvement with the RCNA, but I do know that filing a complaint against a member will be taken seriously. |
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Canada
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I''m pretty sure Kijiji is going to look into it.   |
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Actually the response I got from Bank of Canada (if I correctly understood it ...I was sort of in shock) is that a merchant (or bank) is not OBLIGED to accept any coin in payment. (I suspect the answer is true of bills as well)
What I suspect is that governments must accept legal tender, a merchant can designate how he wants to be paid be it in eggs, chickens, bitcoins or whatever. It seems to tie in with promissary notes I have signed that I used to sign, indicating payment in legal tender.
I just was too surprised at the moment to sort of think it out
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@ cdngmt. That's an interesting response from BodC. The Bank of England recently made changes to the term "legal tender", accepting it totally discretionary except as payment to the courts. In Canada the definition of "Legal Tender" is outlined in the Canada Currency Act. Unless it's about to be changed and nobody told us.... Regardless, the maximum amount based on denomination required to be considered as "legal tender" is already far lower than one might expect. http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../page-1.html |
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I sent a link to this thread to the current president of the RCNA... Oh, and  to CCF sophiew!! "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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I don't think the executive of the RCNA understand that despite their rules of exhibition , it is illegal to possess counterfeit Canadian coins even for the purposes of education without special dispensation. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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05/05/2016 01:07 am
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Canada
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I can't quite tell from the photo of the fake 2013 Suoerman set but is there no denomination? If so, is that the reason why the seller claims they're not counterfeit coins? But there's still the matter of unauthorized copyright/trademark.
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That appears to be a set from the unmentionable site. The red S is pointing down to 20 DOLLARS.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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I can't quite tell from the photo of the fake 2013 Suoerman set but is there no denomination? If so, is that the reason why the seller claims they're not counterfeit coins? But there's still the matter of unauthorized copyright/trademark. I have not seen any of these "Fakes" without the denomination, someone correct me if there are some out there. These counterfeiters wont make them without the denomination as fewer people would want them. Or more correctly , less people that would get duped into thinking they are real. Edited by Northerncoins
05/05/2016 05:05 am
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I am not surprised. Someone take a screen shot of the advertisement please and send it to me. I have worked for 10 years on this crap and this moron offers these and any other sets for sale? I am shaking my head in disbelief! I will go to the RCMP today as well as the RCNA. I will be contacting Canadian Coin News as well. This has now crossed the line. To be clear on what a counterfeit is........ any fabrication that even RESEMBLES a current Canadian coin is counterfeit. This individual is an idiot. There will be severe sanctions from the RCNA or they will have a battle on their hands as well. This is not a threat either. |
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