While I agree that NGC does make things easier-- even I could submit coins to them because I am a member of ANA.
Too bad their holders are just ugly.
I mean, if I need to submit a coin that I plan to sell-- it is going to NGC.
But for the coins I buy for my own collection-- I only buy PCGS. They are aesthetically pleasing. NGC isn't. I will admit that this is a matter of opinion. However, my opinion often carries weight with me and I end up acting on it.
Quote: Do I need to say more? Everyone says PCGS is better but I agree their "gold standard" is slowing slipping towards NGC. NGC has their stuff together while PCGS is falling from grace.
Unlike most Australian collectors I have never considered PCGS to be "Better" than NGC I have always considered them to be on a par. However the turnaround times, customer service and pricing of grading fees and return postage provided by NGC are far superior. I also believe that the service and grading standards that PCGS provide are going downhill, Especially over the last year. I have Not sent another submission to PCGS since August and I doubt that I ever will again. I have however had 3 submissions completed by NGC since then and I am 110% happy with the service and product they have provided. No prizes for guessing which TPG will be getting my business from now on
Everyone on CCF: BOYCOTT PCGS!! No one send any coin, any medal, or any anything to PCGS. Then, mail PCGS a short letter explaining that this will continue until the fingerprints stop. Start now! BOYCOTT PCGS!! I won't send them anything until they stop sending fingerprinted coins. I wonder how differently they would act if they knew that this would cause tens of thousands of dollars in losses.
Quote: While I agree that NGC does make things easier-- even I could submit coins to them because I am a member of ANA.
Too bad their holders are just ugly.
I mean, if I need to submit a coin that I plan to sell-- it is going to NGC.
But for the coins I buy for my own collection-- I only buy PCGS. They are aesthetically pleasing. NGC isn't. I will admit that this is a matter of opinion. However, my opinion often carries weight with me and I end up acting on it.
The style or general aesthetics of any holder is pretty much irrelevant to me personally. It is the coin INSIDE the holder that is the important thing for me
Trout1105-- I completely understand that you feel that way. I feel that way too-- logically.
My logical mind tells me that it is the coin that matters.
But my coin collecting is both logical and to make me feel happy, calm, satisfied, etc. Unfortunately, I can't get past non-coin related things. Such as symmetry- I would have a very difficult time living with a series I was collecting being made up of a mix of NGC (even if I found them not at ugly as I do) and PCGS...even for the sake of better coins.
Thats a little irritating. Roy, just a boycott on CCF wouldnt kill PCGS. I personallyv prefer PCGS because I have has bad experiences with them. A freind of mine sent a proof coin to them with lots of frosting and all. It came back totally different. All the frosting was gone. They damaged the coin, and the worst part is it came back in a details holder. NGC declining that they did anything. Luckily he had before pictures. SO NGC had a long battle but finally NGC lost. Frog, OCD, runs in my family, know what you mean, on a whole different leve;.
Trout, I'm betting that if you took the number of hours you have had this PCGS hassle and multiplied those hours by a minimal amount you could have probably bought a couple more coins.
I'm truly sorry to hear you are still dealing with this.
It is unlike Me to give up But I don't intend to waste any more of my time chasing this up with PCGS. I am down a few hundred But PCGS has lost my trust and respect along with about 10k in grading fees a year. I am just tired of the BS and their "token" efforts when simply replacing the ruined coins would have been the Right thing to do. I am certain that if I ruined someone else's coin I would replace it with a coin that was the same grade or better and I am sure that everyone else here would do the same thing.
Trout, if it were me I would be upset, like very upset. If they don't respond. Forget them and their BS. If they do respond, graciously accept nicer coins, and then forget them and their BS, Either way, it seems that you feel that PCGS is messing with you over. I agree. But as they say, you live and you learn
Trout, I feel really bad for you. Fortunately for me I decided to forgo using 3rd party grading on modern coins after viewing PCGS's and NGC's videos on youtube. Take a look at this video from PCGS.
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At 1:53 you can see the grader handling the coins with bare hands and no mask. At 2:47 you can see the encapsulator doing the same. The same thing happens at NGC.
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(Search NGC grading on youtube if this won't play for you. It's the one at the top.) At 1:30 you can observe the grader handling the coins with bare hands and no mask. At 3:00 you can see the encapsulator doing the same. When I handle my bare coins, I always wear a mask and cotton gloves. I don't get finger prints and spots on my coins. We've all seen coins inside slabs with spots and finger print. I'm betting a good portion of those are imparted by the 3rd party graders. Spots and finger prints usually don't appear immediately, but it's too late by they time they do. 3rd party grading isn't cheap. For what they charge, the least they could do is handle the coins in a manner built around ensuring they do not get contaminated. Also, note the speed at which they flip the coins around. If the grader/encapsulator drops or accidentally touches a coin, is he going to tell his boss? Likely not, which is why proper handling should be built in to the process. Neither made a mention of how they control dust. I suspect because they don't.
While I do believe that 3rd party grading has its place, I don't believe that relatively common modern benefit from being 3rd party graded. I like things neat & orderly and definitely like a good presentation, but the cost and potential damage to modern coins has convinced me to get past not having nice labels above my coins. Mine go in air-tites or stay in the OGP. I actually prefer air-tites over slabs because it's more like you're actually handling the coin. *** Edited by Staff to add YouTube tags. [youtube][/youtube] Please use them in the future. We prefer embedded video. ***
Quote: I believe the reason they give (I forget where I heard it but I do remember hearing it) is that using their bare hands allows them to handle the coins more carefully and easily, avoiding drops which would be even more damaging. They can be much more nimble with their bare fingers, quickly and easily flipping and rotating the coin. If they wore cotton gloves, there is a greater risk of the coin slipping because of the softness of the gloves, so they would either drop more coins or have to take much longer to carefully examine the coin without dropping it.
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