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1990 P Nickel Odd Area Near Rim (Help Please)

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I'm not sure what caused this separation on the obverse from the field to the rim under the letters D WE TRUST. I would appreciate any help you can give me. Also on the reverse there is some doubling on the word STATES. I'm not sure if this is MD or Die Deterioration. What do you think?
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Don't know -- but it is interesting.

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Looks like a die attrition error. The edge of the field portion of the die wore away due to repeated collisions with the beveled entrance to the collar while the hammer die was misaligned.
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I added this to me educational files.
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MikeDiamond. I'll have to keep an eye on you. You nailed that one so fast and so right it deserves some pumpkin pie. Just not MY pumpkin pie.
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Thank you Mike Diamond. Thanks to all you experts. I'd be lost without you.
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Thanks mike. Awesome find, would this one be extreme enough to warrant a premium?
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I would think so. The one I found years ago was mild compared with this one.
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Hi Bella57,
I think we have the exact 1990 Nickel coin look a like.

Hi Mr. Mike, can the same Die Attrition be found in another coin of same year?
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Please advice if this going to hijack the thread so I can remove.

But one thing for sure I want to understand the way it is happened. Similar Die Attrition present on same location of the same year coin.


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If the die is worn then I don't see why there wouldn't be multiple examples, same year, same die.

Very interesting to see two examples back to back so quickly.
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After the damage was done, then all coins struck with that die will show this error. Your coin is no doubt from the same die.
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The miss-alignment of the die, made it rub on the collar. It removed part of the outside of the die on that area. It didn't all happened from the first strike. It was over a period of time that this contact was happening to the die and wore off the outside edge on just that area. There could be a few or several hundred thousands of them. Until it was noticed it may have been used. Some coins are struck very fast. I remember reading that 12 per second could be struck on some coins. So it is not a slow process. The damage to the die may have just taken seconds to happen.
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Then I suppose it's correct to say that any coin showing MD due to an over-used die is a die attrition error as well. That would include Ghosting errors, progressive Beehive cents, and others.
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MD can happen even on doubled dies. So it can affect the strike of any die, normal or what ever happened to the die during its life.
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