Update With Grades: S-Mint Indians - Wanna Take A Shot?

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Prethen Pillar of the Community United States 3233 Posts	Posted 05/03/2008 6:28 pm Both of these are in ICG holders. I believe the 1909-S was cleaned at one time which ICG would have certainly recognized when they gave their grade. ICG graded the 1908-S as VF25 which I think seems reasonable. The coin has a great original, no-problem look. The 1909-S was graded as VF20. Yep, less than the 1908-S. That's why I'm pretty certain they market graded the coin due to an assumed light cleaning. Personally, I grade it a VF30. Edited by Prethen 05/07/2008 1:52 pm Report this Post to the Staff

kceb10 Valued Member United States 392 Posts	Posted 05/03/2008 7:44 pm the 1908-s I'd grade VF20 and the 1909-s EF40 I'm probably way off but I gave it my best Report this Post to the Staff
jeremymh Pillar of the Community United States 543 Posts	Posted 05/03/2008 7:54 pm VF for the 1908-s? Report this Post to the Staff
jeremymh Pillar of the Community United States 543 Posts	Posted 05/03/2008 7:55 pm AU for the 1909-s? Report this Post to the Staff
jeremymh Pillar of the Community United States 543 Posts	Posted 05/03/2008 7:56 pm Be allitle easier if you gave the purchase price, then I could open up my RedBook and make an inference. Report this Post to the Staff
Jaobler Pillar of the Community United States 6381 Posts	Posted 05/03/2008 8:08 pm I'd say F-15 for the 1908-S and VF-25 for the 1909-S. The '08 has the more natural color but the if the '09 was cleaned it isn't obviously damaged IMO. I wouldn't agree that ICG (or any other TPG) will "certainly" recognize cleaned coins. As just one example, ICG slabbed my 1837 half dollar that PCGS had previously rejected as cleaned. Sometimes their cleaning detectors seem to need a little adjustment! Anyway, nice coins, and it's great to get those 2 out of the way if you are working on a complete IHC set. Report this Post to the Staff
KurtS Pillar of the Community United States 5318 Posts	Posted 05/03/2008 9:39 pm 08-S: VF20 (due to clear separation of hair from headband--using Rick Snow's guide--pdf) 09-S: VF30-35 (from what I can see, unless there's clear separation of the lower diamond ribbon from the lower hair curl, then EF40) Edited by KurtS 05/04/2008 5:34 pm Report this Post to the Staff
groganking Valued Member United States 131 Posts	Posted 05/04/2008 12:29 am F15 for the 08-S. VF 30 for the 09-S. ICG has graded cleaned coins? Does the slab denote that? Report this Post to the Staff
desertgem Pillar of the Community United States 860 Posts	Posted 05/04/2008 01:07 am Wow, VF35 for 08S AU53 for 09S Jim Report this Post to the Staff
Double Mint Pillar of the Community United States 810 Posts	Posted 05/04/2008 01:12 am Id say 25 for the 1908 and 35 for the 1909. Report this Post to the Staff
CuprousCoin Valued Member United States 226 Posts	Posted 05/04/2008 10:09 am I also would have to go with the 08S F15 and the 09S VF30. the light wood grain toning on the 09S is probably due to the planchet composition being improperly mixed, common among IHC's, and I kind of like it. If it has been lightly cleaned at one time, it appears to have done no damage. Very few distracting marks and nice color on both. Report this Post to the Staff
Prethen Pillar of the Community United States 3233 Posts	Posted 05/04/2008 10:43 am I'll give the grades later, but I'll just say that, according to ICG, some of you were a bit rough on the 08-S and some a bit lenient with the 09-S. I do believe they undergraded the 09-S though so that the cleaning could be netted in. Report this Post to the Staff
NumisMattyUk Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2217 Posts	Posted 05/04/2008 5:26 pm The "liberty" on the 1908 is rather faint, I'd put it in the F-range for that reason. The 1909 should be VF or thereabouts... Report this Post to the Staff
Prethen Pillar of the Community United States 3233 Posts	Posted 05/04/2008 6:22 pm Keep in mind, you cannot grade on one diagnostic along (usually). Take a look at the reverse wreath. Take a look at the rest of the details and overall level of wear. Report this Post to the Staff
mycrob Pillar of the Community United States 2602 Posts	Posted 05/07/2008 11:56 am F15 for the 08S, VF30 for the 09S. Nice keys! Report this Post to the Staff
1sikevo Pillar of the Community United States 1130 Posts	Posted 05/08/2008 12:56 pm VF20 for the 1908 I'll go VF35 on the 1909 Nice coins Bruce. Those were the last 2 keys I got for my small cent series. Edited by 1sikevo 05/08/2008 12:58 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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