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2017 Enhanced Native American Dollar Doubled Die Found

 
 
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 Posted 09/25/2017  6:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shtudentt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
what do you guys think


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 Posted 09/25/2017  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spectacular show. I would love for that to be true, would make a rush on unopened sets and help this train wreck along.
However, I am somewhat skeptical.
I am very curious to hear some others opinions on this one.
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 Posted 09/25/2017  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A definite keeper, but smaller rather than larger = MD.
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 Posted 09/25/2017  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Check CoinCollector2000's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Man, I'm not sure about that moxking. It has potential, but I'd send it in to get looked at by Wexler. Worth the $4 charge.
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 Posted 09/26/2017  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The peripheral lettering is incuse, correct? If so, then it is just Machine Doubling.
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 Posted 09/26/2017  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a doubled die but since it is incuse lettering, it is Machine Doubling. You can see typical Machine Doubling on CLV, which is not incuse
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 Posted 09/26/2017  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shtudentt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i sent it to John Wexler,so,will see what gonna happen
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 Posted 01/30/2018  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What did John Wexler think of it? Did he say it was Machine Doubling?
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 01/31/2018  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A doubled die actually looks opposite on incuse lettering compared to raised lettering on a coin's surface.
Incuse lettering on a coin is raised on the die, so if it gets pressed doubled, it thins the raised part on the die, thinning the incuse device on the coin. If there is movement during striking, the incuse device will appear wider like shown in this example.
So, this is not a doubled die.
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 Posted 01/31/2018  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very good explanation cwb
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01/31/2018 09:14 am
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 Posted 01/31/2018  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For sure, explains it perfectly.
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 Posted 01/31/2018  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JDRMCB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I discovered the same thing a while back....

http://goccf.com/t/299008

And I'm still confused about why everyone is so sure it's not a doubled die?

I would put the ability to comprehend and understand the complexity of variety and error numismatics right up there with astrophysics and DSLR camera settings, lol.
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 Posted 01/31/2018  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I looked at the mint proof dollar image of this coin, it appears the devices are raised and not incuse.
https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp...-reverse.jpg
Looks like the one in the image is machine doubled on this proof example. So the jury is still out for this coin on the thread. Side by side need to be made to see if the devices are enlarged or reduced from MD on this coin post on this thread. (Wish I had a program for overlays again)
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 01/31/2018  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JDRMCB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And unless I'm going blind, the only incuse lettering I see on this coin is the actual edge lettering Iitself that includes the date and E PLURIBUS UNUM.
The devices in question (outer rim lettering) IMO is raised and NOT incuse. However, it is located within what appears to be a slightly recessed outer ring of the field.
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 Posted 01/31/2018  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shotgung to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will be interesting to see what Wexler has to say.
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