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1987 P Lincoln Cent With Partial Collar Error Or Stiff Collar? Which One?

 
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 Posted 01/02/2018  01:53 am Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this in a circulated roll of U.S. Pennies from a bank box. I was wondering if this is a Partial Collar error. Just need someone to confirm it before putting it in a non PVC coin flip and labeling it. There are 2 possibilities. One it could be a Partial Collar and two, it also could be a Stiff Collar error. But, I think it is a Partial Collar error.









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 Posted 01/02/2018  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tootallious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's called a partial collar AKA railroad rim E&V but I'm not %100 sure.
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I think it's called a partial collar AKA railroad rim E&V but I'm not %100 sure.


Thank you Tootallious! I got an excellence batch of coins from the bank box of U.S. Pennies, it was great! I was thinking the same thing actually. But when the sun rises and when the other sleeping CCF members wake up and log on, I want to see what they think. But Partial Collar sounds about right to me.
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1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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But when the sun rises and when the other sleeping CCF members wake up and log on, I want to see what they think.


Are you asleep now?

I don't think it's a stiff collar. It may be a partial collar. There is definitely something amiss. The edge appearance does not seem to have been caused by damage.
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Can we get a pic of the whole front please.
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Spruett001, yes, I was asleep for couple hours like 5 hours at least. I might sleep in one more hour because I went to bed late. I just wanted to get all of my finds all posted on here and ready to go. I think it's a Partial Collar, but will wait still for some CCF members thoughts. It was a great batch of coins I went through.
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Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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I'm calling it a stiff collar, the MAD is a major feature of that causing the thickness seen at 1 o'clock. Reading the description, there is evidence the collar was stuck in the halfway deployed position making it a partial but the force of a twisted hammer die caused that thick rim area. Here is a stiff collar quarter from error-ref.com:


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That makes a lot of sense Crazyb0. So it is two errors into one? Those two errors (Partial Collar and Stiff Collar still confuses me a lot). Hopefully I'm understanding this.
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Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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I was just poking at ya a little bit, E&V. I stay up pretty late. It seems there's only about an hour between when I go to sleep and when John1 starts posting.


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Those two errors (Partial Collar and Stiff Collar still confuses me a lot).


They confuse me, as well. The pic from Error-Ref that Crazyb0 posted could be several things. It definitely doesn't nail it down to a specific error.
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Judging by the edge images showing a center indentation, my first thought was a possible encased coin at one time. I'm having a hard time or just not seeing a typical overlap associated with a partial or stiff collar. Thanks, Doug.
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Thank you spruett001. I knew you were just poking me around. I thought that was pretty funny. Halo1st, it isn't an encased cent. That ridge you are seeing is part of the feature for the error. That is the best I can do for pictures. I am wondering what Coop would think about this. I am calling out Coop for this one. I still don't know what to label it as.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 01/03/2018  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stiff Colllar:
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=Stiff+Collar
Partial collar search:
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=partial+collar

I learn more towards the partial collar. As the partial collar forced the metal flat on the obverse rim area where the collar wasn't. But that is what I see. We might need to call Mike in on this one.
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It's a partial collar error in combination with a minor misaligned die. None of the diagnostics of a stiff collar error are present, e.g. there's no thick, vertical flange on the obverse face and no rounded shoulder on the reverse face.
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Thanks Mike.
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Thank you very much Mike and Coop! I really appreciate it Mike. You and Coop saved the day. Now I can label it and put it away in my collection. The case is now closed, but the others, feel free to comment.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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Another beauty EV
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