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 Posted 05/16/2018  8:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinAdvocate to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The obverse of the coin (1993 D LMC) shows some irregularities with the rim. So the rim is thickest around 10 o'clock and just about disappears completely around 4 o'clock. Is this an error? If so what kind?

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 Posted 05/16/2018  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A minor MAD?
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 Posted 05/16/2018  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HoboNickelCarver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/16/2018  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John1 is correct: the obverse was struck with a slightly misaligned die (MAD). If the reverse had shown the same misalignment in the same direction, it would have been an off-center strike. Because the reverse is normal here, this is just a bit MAD, but not enough to garner any premium value. Generally, devices on the coin must be missing or truncated because of it to give the coin any value.

I hope that helps.
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 Posted 05/17/2018  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correct information. But made me think? The MAD coins show the misalignment on the hammer die. So if we can a MAD on the reverse, then we can figure out what year they changed over the setup with the reverse being the hammer die.

This image says 1992, but this coin is a 1993 with the hammer die on the obverse?
(Sorry my mind running amuck)
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 Posted 05/17/2018  03:28 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I have been wondering about this for some time. Which die is the hammer die makes a huge difference in determining what potential error a coin may have. I have only seen that the obverse die is in motion, but it really doesn't have to be that.
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 Posted 05/17/2018  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More (inverted) food for thought.

http://goccf.com/t/94501&SearchTerms=anvil,die


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mikediamond Posted 07/31/2011, Beginning in 1992 (at the Denver branch), the Mint started experimenting with using the reverse die as the hammer die. This setup gradually became more common until it was the predominant setup in 2002. Changeover was complete (at least for business strikes) by 2005. So all coins, except proofs, are struck with an "inverted" die setup.


http://www.error-ref.com/inverted-d...nstallation/

Also note back in March, a 1989D nickel was posted that seem to have been an inverted partial collar strike. Thanks, Doug.
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 Posted 05/17/2018  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That how we learn. See something different, then share, then add information. Kind of a snowball affect to help us along.
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This is a minor Misaligned Die (MAD), but it isn't enough to add any value. The devices etheir have to be cut off or be very close to being cut off. Worth face value, but you can keep it if you want.
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 Posted 05/17/2018  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a MAD.

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 Posted 05/18/2018  12:58 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that tidbit, Doug. At least now we know a timeframe during which the transition took place. For which branches and denominations, I guess, is still not nailed down.

To be honest, I don't recall having ever seen a modern coin with a MAD reverse, so I cannot personally attest to the thinking. Can anvil dies be misaligned?
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 Posted 05/18/2018  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like the example I posted, after 2005,we have to look on the reverse from the MAD coins.
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