Coin Community Family of Web Sites
Like us on Facebook! Subscribe to our Youtube Channel! Check out our Twitter! Check out our Pinterest!
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!

Don't Bother Sending 1 Of These In For Attribution (2017 Ellis Island Quarter)

 
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
New Member
United States
38 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  11:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Iron Cross to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
*** Edited by Staff to Add Year / Mintmark / Denomination to Title. Titles are Important! ***

I don't think I'll be using the services any longer. Everything I send comes back as NOT A DOUBLED DIE. I find it amazing how minute little tabs can be considered doubled but not this. 2017 Ellis Island quarter. Look at the doorway and windows.


Valued Member
United States
405 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waynoah83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know exactly what you think is doubled in your pics but they look pretty close to actual design.
Pillar of the Community
United States
2501 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Check CoinCollector2000's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, looks like the intended design. Just take a breath, and make sure to check the intended designs on the US Mint website before you send it in! Good luck!
Pillar of the Community
United States
8683 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see any doubling.

to the CCF!
Collector of all classic US coinage.

How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
New Member
United States
38 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Iron Cross to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You don't see that brick inside the top rh corner of the door or the stuff going on inside the rh window? You think your example is identical? I've looked at 100 of these and found 3.
Pillar of the Community
United States
2127 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I don't see any doubling either.

Also, real doubled dies on the newer quarters almost always have doubling at the center of the coin. The area you're showing is towards the edge of the coin.
Edited by Tanman2001
06/10/2018 12:59 pm
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
United States
37684 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Me neither.



to the CCF!
New Member
United States
38 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Iron Cross to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, then tell me how the window doubling works on Ozark Riverway quarters windows which is marginal at best and not here.
Pillar of the Community
United States
5997 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see the difference you are mentioning, but I personally don't see how this fits the definition of a doubled die. A doubled die is when the die itself was accidentally engraved with a double image of the devices and so the coin made from it will have a normal device and its twin right beside it.

The "brick" you refer to is stand alone.

BTW - it would be a good idea to stop paying someone to verify these until you are sure. You can post pictures to this forum and we will gladly help you ID your coins. Also know that on alot of DDs that the price to have them slabbed is way more than the coin is worth. Just having it in a slab willnot make a 2.00 coin be worth anymore. You lose money.

If you have a good DDO worth some value, like a 1972 DDO (the good one - there are some weaker ones), then the coin is only worth paying to get slabbed for two reasons:
1. You personally enjoy slabbed coins in your collection.
or
2. You plan to sell it on eBay etc.

People on eBay are not all aware of the very wise words commonly stated on this forum and others: Buy the coin, not the slab.

So slabbed coins will bring in a better profit, usually, when selling online.


BTW- your extra brick could be from a deteriorated die or a die chip.
- When I value " being right" more than what IS right, I am then right...a fool.
- How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
- Real men play Fizzbin.
Edited by Earle42
06/10/2018 1:41 pm
New Member
United States
38 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Iron Cross to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I should explain that I'm not doing this to sell or slab. All I wanted is to have a new find get listed. Now I don't care. I will post some of my 40 odd findings and let you guys have the credit if they are as I have no more faith in attributions, as I explained earlier.
Valued Member
United States
420 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add da Swampster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...I will post some of my 40 odd findings and let you guys have the credit if they are as I have no more faith in attributions, as I explained earlier.
No one here could take credit unless they have a coin with the identical error / variety.. We can't submit your photos for attribution..

By the way -- I've been doing this sixty years and just made my first unattributed-as-yet find last week.. It's possible you'll have a bit of time invested before finding your first too.. Just so you know..

Swamp
Edited by da Swampster
06/10/2018 2:25 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
2104 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I have no more faith in attributions, as I explained earlier.


No more faith in who? The way I thought it worked was third party graders grade and attributers (hopefully knowledgeable) attribute. Graders seem to rely on known attributes before labeling something unknown to them. Thanks, Doug.
Second opinions are always recommended. Rookies thoughts!
Two sides to every coin. The edge makes three.
Side Note: Sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes I don't.
Edited by Halo1st
06/10/2018 10:39 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
8683 Posts
 Posted 06/10/2018  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We can't take the credit if you find a DD. It's your coin, after all.

If you think you have found a new DD and post pictures here on the forum (free of charge), we will definitely tell you if it's a DD and if you should have it attributed at a TPG. If it's a new DD, you can have it listed on a website with a database of doubled dies.

You seem frustrated with the attribution services of TPGs. The reason they won't attribute your coin as a doubled die is because it isn't doubled.
Collector of all classic US coinage.

How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
Bedrock of the Community
United States
15459 Posts
 Posted 06/11/2018  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
. A doubled die is when the die itself was accidentally engraved with a double image of the devices and so the coin made from it will have a normal device and its twin right beside it.

The "brick" you refer to is stand alone.

But since they went to the single squeeze hubbing often the doubling is only in the central areas of the design and it is frequently just a single feature. Look at the Minnesota State Quarter where just parts of single trees were doubled, or the 2009 LP2 cents with Lincoln having a doubled thumb or just a couple fingers doubled.
Gary Schmidt
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
United States
21519 Posts
 Posted 06/11/2018  10:33 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Conder101 is correct. They're now using Single Squeeze Hubbing. Now a lot of the times, only the central areas of the design is doubled. Usually, they're only minor Doubled Dies.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Coin Community Member eBay Sales

Certified Coins   Certified VAMs   Certified Errors  




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2019 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2019 Coin Community Forums
It took 1.73 seconds to rattle this change. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05