Exactly. The actual ones that are a treat to people pass the basic tests.
I consider all fakes as a threat. Too many people do not educate themselves about them.
Just as I see the reality of things like the No Kennedy FG slab problem as a legitimate threat to people who don't take the time to buy the coin and not the slab. New people in the hobby need to see the reality that taking a label totally on faith can lose them money also.
As was said, the TPGs certainly should know better about the No FG varieties - they are paid to be the experts. And since the information is readily available online to us non-paid allegedly therefore non-able-to-be-expert collectors, most certainly my 30.00 will stay in my own pocket.
Add to this that the confidence is in the slabs and not the coin itself. If the coin is broken out of the slab, it cannot be guaranteed to have the same grade again!
Because it cannot be guaranteed that nothing happened to it. Just like your new car cannot be guaranteed to be new once you drive it off the lot or your tv isn't new once its out of the box ect.
Even if nothing happens to the coin, it can receive a different grade.
Cracked coins resubmitted multiple times and getting a higher grade than before is a verifiable fact in the hobby's history. Also coins can be given lower grades when resubmitted. The process can continue with differing results. Ands this is especially so if crossed to another company.
This point is another thing newbies need to be educated on to get a better perspective of the reality of the TPG
Unfortunately more people than necessary often end up having to learn that the hard way.
Again I would like to know what figures you use to base your statements on. Otherwise they are assumptions.
I try to base everything I post on something verifiable and try to include the sources/references. The No FG example I posted earlier explains eBay is a place to go to research the data to find the facts.
Until you start to give verifiable facts behind your statements, no one benefits from your beliefs b/c your statements logically can be seen as speculation, Post the sources and data for your statements so we can all see and understand how your position is not simply baseless opinion but actual fact. Facts to back up statements speak volumes.
Reading the guarantee shows its not all that simple
Yes actually it is that simple. If they slab a fake they will buy it back, or locate you a real one.
You are absolutely correct that the TPGs will make it right to you if they accidentally slab a fake. I somehow misread what the person posting the statement had said and missed he was talking about just the guarantee on fakes. Thanks for pointing my error out to me.
I really would appreciate knowing sources for your statements (such as the aforementioned 99.9 percent) so I can make, what I am sure you would consider to be, better judgements of the specifics being discussed. Verifiable facts shared speak volumes and help everyone to make more informed decisions.