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1966 Lincoln Memorial Cents (2) Struck Through Debris, One Retained

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Still going though all those rolls of 1966 Lincolns I got. In the last roll I found two struck through coins. One is struck through debris and retained (some kind of filamentous thing) and one is struck through possibly wire. Comments welcome on what the objects were, as would love to home in on what was bouncing around in the machines that day.

1966 Lincoln Memorial cent struck through debris (retained)


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1966 Lincoln Memorial cent struck through debris (wire?)



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The first coin looks like it was Struck Through Copper Wire possibly (not an expert, just a very good well thought guess I had in my mind), looks like this type of Copper wire. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwi...ASgQod5NYJBA Second coin has been Struck Through Wire. Very nice finds and congratulations!
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The first one almost looks like a column post from the reverse.
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E&V you might be onto something there. It could be some kind of multi-stranded copper wire. My only problem with this is where's the sheath? How would a bunch of parallel (non-braided) wire strands stay together like that? But... I like the thought that it might be copper itself, as most all struck through errors do not embed the item on the coin. Here this is raised, not incuse, and is a retained struck through with the object still there glommed onto the coin. It would make more sense for that to happen if the object itself were copper!

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Thank you tropicalbats! I was thinking that it was something like that. And yes, I noticed there was no sheath at all (maybe multi-stranded wire scrap got into the striking chamber with its sheath stripped off)?
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Not sure what is going on on the first one. The lighting seems to indicate that it is raised not incuse. Looks more like something damaged or gouged the die resulting in a raised surface on the finished coin.
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It is definitely raised. Could be a die damage issue being stamped on the coin but really looks like the thing just embedded during the strike. Thanks for your comments as any help with this is appreciated.
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I think it is die damaged. Thus the areas are not exact like a struck through would look like. Different levels, different heights.
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On the first coin, this is what I find interesting:

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The horizontal marks on the object look like the residue of some type of wrap around the bundle. If this is wire, could it have become attached to the planchet during the annealing process, rather than first making its appearance during striking? That could explain the lack of sheathing.

Even though the object is small in proportion to the coin, a specific gravity test to +/- .001 might be able to discern whether the object has the same specific gravity as a normal 1966 .95 Cu .05 Zn cent or whether it edges the coin's specific gravity closer to a higher percentage of Cu.
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If it was a retained strike through it would be flush with the surface of the coin not raised above it.
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On the first one I'm thinking die damage. Second one looks like struck through wire.
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I think the first one is a die chip or gouge rather than a struck through. Second one is definitely a strike through.
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I am thinking more in terms of the die gouge as well on the first coin.
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A die gouge would fit what it seen there, a raised thing. Could a die gouge be created by a previous struck through of something hard leaving that imprint on the die? It really looks like a distinct object and not just a, well, gouge mark.
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Looking at it today, it looks more like coin damage on the jacket.
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Raised damage? And coin is certainly uncirculated. All coins in the 14 rolls I looked through were from same collection with a lot of same-die coins. I should have kept that roll separate and looked for a matching die without that thing. Hindsight.
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