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1922 peace dollar—cant tell what this is on the coin so I bought it

 
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 Posted 08/23/2018  9:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Imag8r to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Looked unusual so nabbed it from local coin store—it really doesn't look like a scratch but more like filled in or something—any ideas-thanks





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 Posted 08/23/2018  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you post the reverse. It has the look of a fake.
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 Posted 08/23/2018  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps not a fake. It's VLDS for sure with multiple large die cracks. Has MD and some light tarnish. Not worth a large premium but the large crack may add value to a specific group of collectors.
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 Posted 08/23/2018  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imag8r to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not magnetic—weight 9 grams—same size and weight as my other Peace dollar

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 Posted 08/23/2018  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is a fake that is a different subject. To answer your question that would be a "Die crack" - the die (wether fake or real) had a crack in it before it struck your coin.
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 Posted 08/23/2018  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imag8r to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight 26 grams—sorry
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 Posted 08/23/2018  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die breaks.

The Philly mint made a boat load of 22 Peace dollars and dies were used to the max to make them.
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 Posted 08/23/2018  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The Philly mint made a boat load of 22 Peace dollars and dies were used to the max to make them.
But I doubt the Philly mint made any with a D mintmark.
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 Posted 08/23/2018  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imag8r to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also looks like a die crack on the reverse about same area as obverse one is—are these considered significant die breaks/cracks—what would you say the grade of this coin is?—thanks for the input
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 Posted 08/24/2018  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It has the look of a fake.


@jimbucks, could you please clarify what looks/looked fake to you? Just tryin' to learn. Thx.
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 Posted 08/24/2018  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's genuine and a VAM 2O2 (Two 'O' two). An I-3 R-6 coin.
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 Posted 08/24/2018  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Way to go, SeatedNut! I was working my way down the list.
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 Posted 08/24/2018  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imag8r to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SeatedNut can you tell me what that means—VAM I know are 2 dudes who classified morgan/peace dollars by what die made the coin—is the coin a major variety or unusual—my knowledge is minimal about this-thanks
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 Posted 08/24/2018  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Imag8r, [CAUTION! The Surgeon General has determined that Vamming is addicting]. Now that you've been properly warned, visit the section just above this one. It contains a complete description of what is a VAM. You are correct that it is named after the two pioneers of the process, Leroy Van Allen and George Mallis. These two set out years ago to catalog the die marriages for Morgan and Peace dollars. A VAM is the catalog number for the die marriage, not the specific pick-up points (PUPS) you see on the coin. There is a wealth of knowledge on VamWorld. The I-3/R-6 means a collector interest of 3 out of 5 and a rarity of 6 out of 8. Good luck.
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Well I'll be Vammed—thanks
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 Posted 08/24/2018  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are called Die Cracks. They were quite common on the Peace dollars. For future reference, please don't hold coins in your hand. That's how fingerprints get onto coins surfaces permanently (it will decrease the coins value). Only hold it by the rim, or wear gloves when handling it.
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More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
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