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1972 Lincoln Memorial Cent - Indent But Is There More To Say?

 
 
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 Posted 10/19/2018  10:09 am Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Looking at some coins with indents and find that I don't know what is supposed to be on a regular indent vs one with more going on. So here is a coin where I see three possible things, which all just might be that which occurs on most all indents, or something more. Please help me understand what I am seeing. Thanks.

1. The coin has an indent and I see no brockage or signs of a double strike. In this case I assume an unstruck blank or planchet got in the way during the strike creating an indent on one side and little on the other.

2. The rim is wide and soft near the indent on both sides like a broadstrike, but is it a broadstrike or just an effect of the indent.

3. Nearly opposite the indent, occurring on the edge from STATES to AMERICA, is what looks like a partial collar. Again, is this an effect of the indent, an effect of an additional broadstrike, or a partial collar as well as an indent. The edge photo is taken with the obverse facing down and looking almost straight at STATES.


Thanks for all the help with my trying to understand error coins!







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 Posted 10/19/2018  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tb, thanks for posting this. It is well beyond my modest understanding of errors. I'm interested to see what others think about this one.
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 Posted 10/19/2018  11:08 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome purchase tropicalbats! I contacted Mike Diamond again, so you can hear what he has to say about it.
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 Posted 10/19/2018  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking the second planchet creating the indent hampered the coins ability to take up a proper strike position or hindered the collar deployment. Thus adding a partial collar to one side and broadstrike appearance seen on obverse. Thanks, Doug.
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 Posted 10/19/2018  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very Nice pics..what camera are you using it tropicalbats?
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 Posted 10/19/2018  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a broadstrike with an indent (impression of an unstruck planchet). The thin vertical flange on the reverse opposite the indent represents a little bit of collar contact. Here the impact of the hammer die was felt first, and the collar didn't collapse completely out of the way until later in the downstroke.
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 Posted 10/19/2018  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting - good info!
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 Posted 10/19/2018  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Check CoinCollector2000's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with Mike, on just first glance it looks certainly like a broadstrike with an indent, and a very nice piece!
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