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 Posted 12/22/2018  11:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I received this coin as a gift and I love it. 2 important rulers on one coin. Who would not like that.

Augustus and Divvs Julius Caesar
(27 CBE- 14 CE)
Macedon. Thessalonika
19 mm 8.0 g
Obv: ΘECCAΛONIKEΩN
Bare head of Augustus
Rev: ΘEOC.
Bare head of Julius Caesar
RPC 1555
Ex: Numismatik Naumann Auction 66 Lot 269




"Cave ab homine unius libri"
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12/22/2018 11:26 am
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 Posted 12/22/2018  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CrazyCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if it was a commerative or a circulation strike?
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 Posted 12/22/2018  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good question, but I do not know the answer.
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 Posted 12/22/2018  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a nice gift.
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 Posted 12/22/2018  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent gift, cool coin.
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 Posted 12/22/2018  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice and just in time for the Holidays - thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 12/22/2018  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating coin! The deification of Julius Caesar and it's implications for the provincial coinage is particularly poignant at the holiday season. In Latin, the deified were referred to as divus ("deified", "saint", "god"), quite distinct from deus ("God"). Julius Caesar was the first Roman to be officially deified by decree of the Senate on 1 January 42 BC. Augustus, Tiberius, Nero and Domitian later adopted the title divi filius ("son of the saint", "son of the god"), following the deification of their predecessor. In Greek, however, there is no such linguistic distinction. There is only θες ("God"). Thus, divus and divi filius in Latin become θες and θeοũ υις ("Son of God") in Greek, precisely the same terminology used in the New Testament for "God" (e.g. John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God") and "Son of God" (e.g. Matthew 27:54, where the Roman centurion proclaims "Surely, he was the Son of God!"). The irony would not have been lost on the first-century Christian audience, reading both coins and scripture in Greek!
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Nice coin and thanks for the Kushanshah.
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Thank you @Kushanshah for that informative writeup and thanks to all for the kind comments.
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Found this... that makes some sense...perhaps this is useful?

MACEDON, Thessalonica. Octavian, with Divus Julius Caesar. 27 BC-AD 14. 20mm (7.30 g, 6h). Restitution issue. Struck under Domitian, circa AD 81-96. Bare head of Divus Julius right / Bare head of Augustus right. RPC I 1555; Touratsoglou Em. II (of Domitian), 23 (V3/R14).

Link is here..
https://www.cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=357930

What a wonderful gift! Would be proud to own anything like this coin.. congrats!


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12/22/2018 11:08 pm
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That is very useful @Claudius, thank you. As I understand it there is still some debate about who actually issued this coin.

Edit: I found this snippet on Forum Ancient Coins

"RPC tentatively dates the type to the reign of Augustus but notes that Touratsoglou dates it to the reign of Domitian (13 Sep 81 - 18 Sep 96 A.D.) particularly based on the die axis and letter forms."
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I have one of those too. Technically it's Octavian I have as the coin was struck in 38 BC before he took the name Augustus in 27 BC.



side left: portrait of Julius Caesar, legend DIVOS IVLIVS
side right: portrait of Octavian Ceasar, legend CAESAR DIVI F for divos filius (son of the divine Julius)
(NFA: Numismatic Fine Arts Auction, ca.1990) I need to get the weight and exact lot#.

These are not particularly common but tend to be inexpensive unless you find a really really nice one. This one was around $950 I recall.
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 Posted 01/11/2019  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oddly enough I just photographed this one last night for my shop:

Macedon, Thessalonica Divus Augustus and Deified Julius Caesar!
ΘEOC, bare head of Julius Caesar / CEBACTOY ΘE, bare head of Augustus right.
RPC I 5421 (vis. pg. 298 note). 22 mm, 7.40 grams


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