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1985 P Jefferson Nickel Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial!

 
 
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 Posted 12/31/2018  4:40 pm Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am going to talk briefly about Die Deterioration Doubling today. I will also explain how you can tell the differences between Die Deterioration Doubling and a true Doubled Die. As you can see, this issue is caused by the die becoming very worn down from striking many planchets. The die will start slowly breaking down at first, then the devices eventually break down as well, with the devices becoming effected. Die Deterioration Doubling has a shadow effect and ghost like appearance to it. Die Deterioration can be very subtle or quite noticeable! The devices will look worn down, mushy, and have a stretched out look to it. There may also be die flow lines going outwards, as the die pounds away striking planchets. Remember, this is only caused by the die breaking down. A Doubled Die is a completely different thing that happens when there's a mistake in the die making process, causing the devices image to be doubled during the die hubbing process. From Mike Diamond:
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A Doubled Die is caused by a misalignment or a mismatch between a working hub and a working die. The misalignment or mismatch occurs between a first and subsequent hubbing or sometimes in the course of a single hubbing. http://www.error-ref.com/doubled-dies/

I hope this helps. Tell me what you think. Is there anything I need to correct?





More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 12/31/2018  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very helpful discussion with good pics. Thanks!
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You're very welcome Coinfrog! I'm glad you found it very helpful. Happy New Years!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 12/31/2018  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great post - thanks for the education.
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Thank you Earle42! I'm glad you found it helpful. I'll be editing this thread for grammer corrections and other things. Happy New Years!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 12/31/2018  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice educational thread. Good example as well. Happy new year!

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 Posted 01/01/2019  12:19 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you CoinHunter27! I'm glad it helped. Happy new year to everyone!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 01/02/2019  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you!!

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 Posted 01/02/2019  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die wear is noticed on the sides of the devices towards the rim direction. The area on cents looks like Machine Doubling because it is on the opposite side of where you would find die deterioration.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 01/02/2019  11:43 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome Rabbithole1 and thank you Coop for providing new information! I didn't know that at first.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 01/07/2019  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add geraldbergeron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW This is a great thread, at least for an error collecting beginner like me . Just to understand this error world !!
IMO, it should be in some kind of "stickies" at the beginning of the forum. Just like any other "Tutorial" approved by mods.
This way we could easily find and study those stickies !!
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