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Do You Think This Coin Matches The One In The Catalogue? (Bulgaria)

 
 
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 Posted 05/02/2019  6:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Leipeneier to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello! I was wondering if any of you thought my coin matches the one in this catalogue, having trouble deciding.






Now the one from the catalogue.




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 Posted 05/02/2019  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@leip, to help us help you, could you please also post the catalog name and item number? Thx.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  09:26 am  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say it's a match for Ivan Shishman.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Leipeneier to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought it would be Mitso Asen. @echizento
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 Posted 05/03/2019  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could be wrong, with these type of coins it's small details that define who it is. IMO it looked like Ivan Shishman.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is important to consider not only the photo but the written description. The elements which distinguish the type in question are 1.) "scepter or lilly" in right hand, 2.) cross in left hand. 3.) "μρ monogram" above scepter, 4.) "letter resembling M" below scepter and 5.) "cross and uncertain letter" above king's head.

Elements 1, 2 and 5 are clear on both your coin and the plate coin.

Element 3, the μρ monogram, is either missing on both coins or extends in part over the king's head. In either case, what can be seen of the relevant area appears to be the same on both coins.

Element 4, "letter resembling M", is not perfectly clear on your coin but seems to be present.

Scanning Moushmov's list, I find no other coins with this combination of details so I would say yes, it's a likely match. Moushmov 7581. Unfortunately, Moushmov's attribution is "uncertain copper coin" but you have a number. Some further research may find reference to "Moushmov 7581" in other publications with possible attribution(s).
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 Posted 05/03/2019  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Leipeneier to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Kushanshah Thanks! I don't need exact ID, just ruler, date etc.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Leipeneier to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I only think its Mitso Asen because I am seeing VERY similar ones under his name.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Leipeneier to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Kushanshah Another reason it could be mitso is the "M" in the design.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have the coin in hand so it's much easier to see detail than what we are seeing from a picture. I'm not seeing the M, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
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I believe you may be correct. I googled "Mitzo Asen trachy" and found images of coins similar to yours. The nimbate figure is apparently St. Nicholas.

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=l...654&lot=1038
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 Posted 05/03/2019  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Leipeneier to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say its Mitzo. Thanks for your help fellas. (its a little hard to identify these coins when my Bulgarian coin books are still in the mail)
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