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 Posted 06/12/2019  11:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I need help with this one. The closest match I can find is an RPD-006 in Kevin Flynn's book but that would mean it is an impaired proof. The die markers for the RPD-006 are heavy retooling on the obverse USA and a disconnected leaf above the right ribbon (which I do see).

Is this really a well circulated RPD-006? Thanks!





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 Posted 06/12/2019  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not my field, but there's clearly a lot going on there!
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 Posted 06/15/2019  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coinfrog - hoping someone will chime in soon on if this is really a circulated proof.
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 Posted 06/15/2019  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you post a pic of the page in the book where it's listed? Can't find a pic of it online and don't own the book myself.
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 Posted 06/16/2019  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd like to know the answer too, but I don't have every book on the subject. Hopefully there is an expert who will figure this out.
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 Posted 06/16/2019  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am checking fo into whether it is OK me to post the picture of the book ~
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My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
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 Posted 06/17/2019  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CoinsKelly - I think you already have this book? The Ultimate Guide to Three Cent Nickels 1865-1889 (2003) by Allan Gifford. But if not https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/555545 the photos leave a lot to be desired but you can screen grab them and use some contrast enhancement as needed. I also have the Flynn book but not at the house ATM, pretty sure it's one in storage.
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 Posted 06/18/2019  12:12 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion. There were some of the RPD-006 business strikes. Though it is possible yours is a proof. It is missing the single clash marks visable on the bust. It has the correct longacre doubling on AM, and the closed D. That alone matches the RPD. As for determining if it's a proof that becomes harder. Yours has a mushy strike on both sides, and a fat rim not like that of a proof C3N. My opinion is that it's a EDS strike Business strike struck with the proof die paid
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 Posted 06/18/2019  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not have that book, just downloaded from the archive so the pics are not that good. I was referencing Kevin Flynn's book and it only indicates that they were proofs and I just did not think that seemed correct. GrapeCollects, is there a reference for the business strikes? I would love to see it.

Or...if you think it might be a different RPD, let me know. I am compulsive/obsessive enough to desire confirmation for this one
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 Posted 06/18/2019  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll check Gifford's book when I get home today. I'm not familiar with this variety. However, if I were making a gut-check about type type of strike, the look of the coin based on the images appears to be a business strike (rounded rims, soft dentils, soft devices, etc.).
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 Posted 06/18/2019  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add diorthotis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to match the Flynn-Fletcher: RPD-003

https://www.NGCcoin.com/variety-plu...s-1865-1889/

The full link is the bottom second to last coin set on the redirected page.
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 Posted 06/18/2019  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've reviewed Gifford's book for 1881. Again, based on what I'm seeing of that coin, I see no hint that it was ever struck as a Proof.

Gifford points out that at least one Proof set of dies was used to make business strikes (1881P03 and 1881B13...where 1881B13a is with die clashing). The pictures in the book look like a match from I can tell with your pictures for 1881B13. However, I'm going to have to hedge here and say that there are other Business strike die pairs that might match up with what you have. There are multiple dies that have similar repunched dies like yours exhibits.

For 1881B13, Gifford believes less than 900 were minted (less than 600 for 13a), but other die pairings have higher possible mintages.

Your best bet would be to get your hands on Gifford's book (maybe borrow from the ANA) and look at all the pictures he has for all the variations on the repunched dates for this year.

Please let us know what you discover.
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 Posted 06/18/2019  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good eye, diorthotis! When I was looking at it before I bought it I thought it was RPD-003 as well since the pictures were not as clear. The 8's are close but not quite right for RPD-003 and correct for RPD-006 (but that did not make sense since I did not think it was a proof).

Thanks Prethen for confirming it is not a proof. I had not considered the possibility of proof dies used for business strikes. I will reach out to ANA to see if I can borrow the book and will keep this thread updated.

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