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1864 Indian Head Cent - Opinions On Grade

 
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 Posted 07/16/2019  11:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add angellionel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi everyone. What is your opinion on the grade of this 1864 Indian Head cent? I'm thinking XF. Thanks!




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 Posted 07/16/2019  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would it be possible to show the actual color of the coin, please.
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 Posted 07/16/2019  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angellionel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Would it be possible to show the actual color of the coin, please.


Hi CF. I'm afraid the attached is the best I can do given the lighting and camera I have. I will try again later in the day though. On hand, the obverse leans toward a slight green tint, but overall the coin is mostly on the darker side.
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 Posted 07/16/2019  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Obverse is slightly out of alignment and has a pretty decent die crack. Neither of which help or hurt the value.

Looks more in the high VF range to me.
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 Posted 07/16/2019  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Besides the color being way off you have long scratch on obverse that if deeper would have called it a die break . Bad rim problems . Nice little dig on reverse near lower right shield . Could be a details coin .
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 Posted 07/16/2019  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Four full diamonds suggests solid AU sharpness, but the dark grey appearance is unnatural.
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 Posted 07/16/2019  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you dig up this coin? AU-details seems right..
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 Posted 07/16/2019  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harry213 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based in LIBERTY and the head dress I'm in the high VF camp...

I also see some odd issues with the surfaces on both reverse and obverse that put it at a details grade.
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If this is the true color, then AU details (ED).
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 Posted 07/16/2019  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angellionel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your input everyone! I appreciate it.


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Did you dig up this coin? AU-details seems right..


Thanks, GS. Yes, it is a dug coin. I found it yesterday. It's safe to assume that any coin I post has been dug.


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If this is the true color, then AU details (ED).


The darker color was due to residual coin conditioner I used to remove much of the surface soil. I also used a toothpick to remove the rest of the embedded soil within the crevices. I took another look at the coin and it looks like the greenish tint is starting to show again. Here are new photos.

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 Posted 07/17/2019  02:21 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you ding it while digging it up ?
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Besides the color being way off you have long scratch on obverse that if deeper would have called it a die break .


I am really confused by this statement. Could you explain how this is possible?
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Joe ,it looked like a scratch at first to me and mentioned could have called it a die crack if it looked deeper or clearer . Didn't know it was a dug coin at the time of my comment . Dirt over all those years in the ground most likely smooth that crack down a bit .
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Did you ding it while digging it up ?


I thought so too, but the scratch would have likely been displaying a shiny copper color, not the same tint as the rest of coin. Still, I can't dismiss the possibility that I did hit with the trowel.
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 Posted 07/17/2019  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sticking with AU details (environmental damage). This is not a natural color for an Indian cent.
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