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What Does Specimen Finish Mean On A Slabed 2007 D Sacagawea Dollar?

 
 
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 Posted 07/18/2019  9:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
On the slab it says IGS grading service? Would you trust a grade through this company?
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 Posted 07/18/2019  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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On the slab it says IGS grading service? Would you trust a grade through this company?




Make your own slab.
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 Posted 07/18/2019  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good question rabbithole, I'm not too sure how jimbucks feel,but I guess you should keep with the main TPGers..to start your collection,at least until you have gotten good at grading yourself..visit the "grading forums" and use the posts as a game and learning exercise...good luck

Edited: you can also go to "PCGSPhotograde" and view the whole scale of one coin..also check out PCGS videos on same site
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07/18/2019 10:02 pm
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 Posted 07/18/2019  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
**just note, the pics are not of the coin,but the slab:)

Thanks greasyfingers, but I honestly don't collect much other then LWC. I have a membership with PCGS, I've only had 4/5 coins graded so far. I occasionally pick up random things in the half off, dollar, or .50 cent bin for fun. So when I'm out of my wheats ..I can go back to these to research. I had never heard of this grading company and I thought it was interesting, ( as a design)
But the grade was way higher then anything I've ever owned, so I assume it's not correct.

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07/18/2019 10:26 pm
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 Posted 07/18/2019  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The slab is meaningless, consider the coin raw. If it is important to you, crack it out, put it in your own basement/homemade slab and grade it MS70 DMPL. Why not? Debate CLOSED.
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07/18/2019 10:38 pm
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 Posted 07/18/2019  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ jimbuck...just so that I'm clear on this...you don't like/trust this grading company..?......
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Greasy, how did you figure that out?
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 Posted 07/18/2019  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't mean to offend anyone, just asking a few questions. I'm certainly not debating, I apologize if that how it came across.
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Rabbithole1 I don't think you offended anyone. It's just IGS coins. I think they would grade a foil wrapped chocolate at MS65 even if the candy was missing.
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 Posted 07/19/2019  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, yokozuna. It clearly isn't MS 69..and now ..who knows maybe not even a real coin...knowing this, I just have to break it out ( it's not worth anything anyway ) IT LOOKS TERRIBLE ..reminds me more of " Chucky" in the older scary movies. Lol
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 Posted 07/19/2019  05:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found satin finish but no mention of specimen finish. Here is a link for you to research more http://www.smalldollars.com/index.html#sacagawea
IGS is not a trusted slabber.
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 Posted 07/19/2019  06:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might have not been so bad if it was the older label but that's a newer label. IGS went out of business sometime after 2000, and after round 2009 another company popped up with the same three letters. First one was independent grading service, the 2nd copycat one was called international grading service.
The old style holders from independent were rigid much like the top companies use, the newer international ones are a cheaper thinner weaker plastic. They tried harder on the independent version labels to be taken seriously while the newer international labels they just put on the labels whatever they think might suckered someone into giving up some money. It's basically a different company trying to use a closed companies logo recognition to give itself validity. But there's a reason independent coin grading service closes right, it just wasn't up to par. International grading service is even less up to par.

"Specimen finish" was a term from the 1970s for coins that had a proof like appearance of higher quality, other countries might have latched on to this term, I don't know for sure, but first time I'm seeing it used modernly. This was the term used before "prooflike" became common to describe it.

IGS also grades baseball cards and casino tokens which is why it has the reputation that it will slab anything and give it a grade. Otherwise is a low tier grading company that should be treated as like you're buying a raw coin because they over grade like the other low tier or "basement graders" do. Maybe authentic but not sure if they even give it that much thought before slab bing a coin to be sure the coin is authentic because their grading is usually far enough off it makes you question if they even looked at it before slabbing. Buy the coin, not the slab regardless of the grading company, it's an opinion, they aren't always right, even the top tier companies.

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 Posted 07/19/2019  08:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just for fun keep it as a collectors item! Somehow I can see the day people collect old exotic slabs. Make it and people collect.

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 Posted 07/19/2019  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By Specimen finish they mean the satin finish used on the mint sets from 2005 to 2010.

I believe the Specimen finish that Big Kingdom was referring to were the Specimen sets issued by Canada. The US hasn't officially issued any Specimen finish coins, but some recent US coins have received that designation from the TPG's. Usually for things like the nickels from the Jefferson and Botanical gardens sets. Possibly some of the special finish ASE or hockey pucks. Over the years they have called some of these by various names. For example the nickels mentioned have been called Matte-proof, SMS, MS, and now SP (Specimen).
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 Posted 07/19/2019  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right every step of the way Conder101. I was referring to the specimen sets from Canada, as that where my mind went to first, and the term was a bit more popular to denote a proof like coin back 40 years ago.
I think they still make them even as well as proof and mint coins.. Anyways...

You are correct about the satin finish from 2005-2010 for the mint sets and the SP designation, it hadn't even crossed my mind until you mentioned it.

I guess now the only question is if this coin is immaculate enough to make it to MS69. Both NGC and PCGS have graded quite a few with the satin finish that high also, in the low couple hundreds, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility at least.

more pictures please! LOL
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