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Clandestine Used Dies Vs Early Counterfeit

 
 
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 Posted 07/21/2019  2:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jungliston1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all, picked this 1888 Morgan design Obverse and Reverse design 5 Dollar. Coin is slightly smaller than a quarter. The coin weighs 6.24g and looks like Gold plated Copper. It is not magnetic. Also, has a nice Struck Through. I was looking at USPatterns and seen none on their site. I did notice that a lot of Clandestinely made coins where made with used dies around the time. I also read about the Omega Man coins. Thank you for the help,
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 Posted 07/21/2019  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know much about patterns but it don't look real to me
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 Posted 07/21/2019  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was a $5 Morgan pattern. Very rare, 2 known.

CCF has blocked the website, let me see if I can post a pic
Here we go





1878 $5 Five Dollar, Judd-1578, Pollock-1771, Low R.7, PR63 Gilt NGC
The so-called Phrygian Head or Liberty Head obverse, attributed to George T. Morgan. Liberty wears a Phrygian cap, facing left, with LIBERTY incused on the band. E PLURIBUS is to the left, UNUM to the right, with date 1878 below. On the reverse an eagle is somewhat similar to the Morgan dollar reverse "except not as delicate" (Judd). IN GOD WE TRUST is in Gothic script over the eagle, with FIVE DOL. at the rim below. Struck on a regular-diameter planchet, in copper with a reeded edge.

The overall appearance is similar to the Morgan silver dollar, although a silver one dollar and a gold five dollar with the same or similar designs would have been a fairly radical departure from longstanding practice for the Mint. Many examples are gilt, including the present piece. Two gold examples are also known, both impounded in museum collections.

$12,650.00 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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07/21/2019 7:19 pm
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