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 Posted 08/10/2019  8:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add allranger to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I think this coin may be from Iran. I see similar designs but I don't see an exact match.

Composition: Copper
Weight: 5.41 g

Based off the weight I am guessing some sort of 1/2 Falus.



The sun was moving as I took pictures. Here is a better picture of the text on the reverse:


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 Posted 08/10/2019  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that with the lion and sun it is most likely Persia--perhaps Safavid Dynasty?
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 Posted 08/10/2019  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Safavid Dynasty does have a flag with the sun having eyes and a nose. I will look further there.
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The mint name is Khuy. The date should be below the lion but yours is weakly struck in that spot. The coins below are the same type but I can't confirm the date on either. KM lists only a few types for Khuy in the 18th- and 19th-century volumes. Album suggests Khuy was a long-working mint with many types.

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=162427
https://auction.ru/offer/anonimnyj_...50114.html#1
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The mint name is Khuy. The date should be below the lion but yours is weakly struck in that spot. The coins below are the same type but I can't confirm the date on either. KM lists only a few types for Khuy in the 18th- and 19th-century volumes. Album suggests Khuy was a long-working mint with many types.

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=162427
https://auction.ru/offer/anonimnyj_...50114.html#1


I think you are right. Unfortunately the area where the date is is either worn smooth or it just was not struck. I have found similar examples after looking on vcoins. This coin is certainly in the anonymous civic coinage category. It at least narrows things down.

I wonder if they had a frozen date like other Islamic coins.
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 Posted 08/19/2019  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Iranian civic coinage. I would assume the dates are actual but minting may have been as-needed, not on a strictly annual basis. To my knowledge, this area has not been well studied and there is no concise reference available. Album lists more than 70 mints for this period and notes that some of the more prolific mints such as Khuy may have struck as many as 100 different types. The Ashmolean (SICA-9, 718) has an example just like the Zeno coin but clearly dated 1282. On the Zeno example, only "12" is clear and the collector lists the date as 12[82], citing as a reference Kutelia Tinatin, Catalogue of the Iranian copper coins: in the State Museum of Georgia, Tbilisi, 1990, no. 352.

I would catalogue it as follows: Iranian Civic Copper, Khuy, AE falus, date missing (c. mid-19th century). O: Lion left wielding sword, sun behind, all within wreath. R: Within beaded circle, duriba / falus / Khuy. Cf. SICA-9, 718 (dated 1282) and Zeno 162427 (partial date 12xx); Album 3243.
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Yes, Iranian civic coinage. I would assume the dates are actual but minting may have been as-needed, not on a strictly annual basis. To my knowledge, this area has not been well studied and there is no concise reference available. Album lists more than 70 mints for this period and notes that some of the more prolific mints such as Khuy may have struck as many as 100 different types. The Ashmolean (SICA-9, 718) has an example just like the Zeno coin but clearly dated 1282. On the Zeno example, only "12" is clear and the collector lists the date as 12[82], citing as a reference Kutelia Tinatin, Catalogue of the Iranian copper coins: in the State Museum of Georgia, Tbilisi, 1990, no. 352.

I would catalogue it as follows: Iranian Civic Copper, Khuy, AE falus, date missing (c. mid-19th century). O: Lion left wielding sword, sun behind, all within wreath. R: Within beaded circle, duriba / falus / Khuy. Cf. SICA-9, 718 (dated 1282) and Zeno 162427 (partial date 12xx); Album 3243.


It is crazy to me to think that even in this day and age when we can instantaneously communicate back and forth that we would be lacking in reference materials, or that there would be people who are not studying an area.

I had not thought of referencing the Zeno number for coins before. Thank you.

Do you have an account on Zeno? I have tried to sign up for a number of years. Is the site still active.
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Islamic coins have not been studied as closely as other series, at least in the west. Zeno is indeed considered "publication" and is the database of record for oriental coins. You will find it cited in academic papers, hobby publications and auction catalogs. There is a bug in Zeno's online registration system. To register, you can contact the site owner Vladimir by email "charm @ postman.ru" or "oldcharm @ yandex.ru".
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I have started doing this in the last 12 months.
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