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Peru 8 Escudos 1821 Real Or Fake?

 
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Israel
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 Posted 08/11/2019  1:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Bought this coin in an online auction, now that I got it, it looks too clean and luster to be a real one. Parameters looks fine:
26.94 gram
37 m"m
Not magnetic

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 Posted 08/11/2019  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add txabs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Return it if you have chance :(.

Regards!
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 Posted 08/11/2019  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin used to make the cast had significant circulation wear which translated to this copy. Circulation below perfect luster indicates polishing or casting.

Check the edge for a casting line, or if the edge has had casting lines with some attempt to remove them.
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Israel
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 Posted 08/11/2019  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No casting lines on the edges, and it doesn't look like someone was trying to remove those.
I don't think it's fake, but polished might be a good reason for the perfect luster this coin has.
Also the Rev looks better then any 8 escudos I've ever seen.
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08/11/2019 2:34 pm
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 Posted 08/11/2019  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a reason it is NOT third party graded. You need to figure out why before your option to return expires!
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 Posted 08/11/2019  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bought it from an individual who claim that they found it in a double base table of an uncle who passed away 50 years ago.
I have 4 days to return it. If it's real, it'll be a big miss to send it back, but really it looks too good to be true.
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 Posted 08/11/2019  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I had 10% of the money spent on coins left by an uncle or grandfather hidden in an old house or in a piece of furniture I'd be mucho rich.

That story has been repeated ad infinitum because it SOUNDS true.
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 Posted 08/11/2019  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I honestly don't know if it's real or not but there is a huge cloud over it with that story of finding it in some of a deceased uncles furniture..

People claim they find stuff in the oddest places to make things sound more legitimate. It might be true, it might not be true.

Whatever it is it has been polished to death....that's for sure!

4 days is probably not enough time to get the coin professionally authenticated. I don't know what you gave for it but if you are ok with possibly losing that much money then you got more intestinal fortitude than most collectors!

Good luck!



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 Posted 08/11/2019  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add txabs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry mate, I've change my mind. I still don't like it, but I'm not sure if it is a fake. These one seems like same dies

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=554901

Anyway, if it's not a clone, it has been used as jewelry so much time, look the texture of the fields, and has been polished on a very aggresive way. It is seriously damaged.

The only thing I can tell you right now is I would never buy a doubtful coin for my collection, and this one is soooo doubtful :(

Regards!
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Israel
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 Posted 08/11/2019  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's authentic and just polished, I'll be fine with it.
As I've paid for it just a bit over the gold value of the coin.
I'm more afraid that it's not 875% gold and that the metal used is of a lesser value.
Thanks for all your help.
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Israel
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 Posted 08/12/2019  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just came back from a jewelry store that run some tests, they are sure it's a 875% gold.
So the gold value is in there.
What's the point in counterfeiting something that doesn't worth more then the value of the material it's made off.
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 Posted 08/12/2019  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be an ex-jewelry piece where the reverse was protected while the obverse was worn, nicked and polished over several years
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 Posted 08/12/2019  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 08/12/2019  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
they are sure it's a 875% gold.


That's better than 100% gold!
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 Posted 08/12/2019  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold is rated out of 999.9%
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08/12/2019 3:26 pm
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