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1812 Classic Head Large Cent You Vs PCGS

 
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 Posted 08/22/2019  11:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is a classic head large date S-288. According to David Bowers, "the surfaces are often dark and somewhat granular". The classic heads do get some grading leniency that other series do not get, but it does appear to tighten up in the higher grades. Give this one a try and see how you do.



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 Posted 08/23/2019  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Suomi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Au-58?
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 Posted 08/23/2019  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this looks like the s-288 large date. I think it is a weakly struck ms 61-62. there are many flat areas in this coin, but the don't look rubbed. I think it should trade below list because of the pronounced weakness in the strike. nice coin and rare in these grades.
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 Posted 08/23/2019  12:44 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought AU at first, but now agree with NS
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 Posted 08/23/2019  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KaiserSoze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS 62. Is that a struck through error under the e in ONE? Kind of looks like a zero with something attached diagonally to the lower left
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 Posted 08/23/2019  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say 62 as well, good analysis by N/S.
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 Posted 08/23/2019  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
light granularity but for this series it looks really nice. fairly decent strike and I cant see any signs of circulation. MS62
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I am going lower on this one. I see wear on the high points on both obverse and reverse rather than a weak strike. Eye appeal is relatively low to me - the planchet looks slightly rough and pebbly and the colour is not appealing. You can find 1812's with a better planchet. Low AU to EF45 is my opinion.
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 Posted 08/23/2019  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Caution - amateur evaluator on deck.

Wow. Interesting item. I'm guessing that it spent some time in an old rattler - thus the rim color. Also, looks MAD reverse. I'll guess 62/63. But, high AU wouldn't surprise me.
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 Posted 08/23/2019  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regardless of any minor problems it's still a very desirable type coin.

The field to the left of the bust on the obverse is one of the best checks to decide AU versus MS. That typically porous area on this coin can't be reliably used for that determination.

As for actual value this is a Coin to fight for. I'm still seeing enough separation on the hair to believe this has circulated.

AU-58. Eye Appeal 6/10.
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the planchet looks slightly rough and pebbly and the colour is not appealing. You can find 1812's with a better planchet. Low AU to EF45 is my opinion.


Could you post an example a low AU or EF45 1812 Large date with a nice planchet, nice color and eye appeal?

I understand not liking dark coins as I am also not fond of dark coins, but I really dislike color on copper that is not original.
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This is an example of an 1812 with good surfaces and strictly original, pleasant colour.

Admittedly, it is certainly not in the same state of preservation as the S-288 above, but imagine what this S-289 must have looked like before it wore down to this level. Good surfaces and original, pleasant colour in 1812 coppers does exist. There are not many, but they are out there.

Slider23, I apologise if you thought I was disparaging the coin - specially if this is your example. That was really not my intention. It is a nice example of a difficult type,



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 Posted 08/23/2019  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KaiserSoze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So what about that error? shouldn't that bump up the value of such an early coin?
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I am thinking AU 53
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