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Poland 1555 Lithuanian Groschen

 
 
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 Posted 08/31/2019  09:35 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I think I will live to regret this purchase, but we'll see.
Received a few days ago, and just sent off to NGC.

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 Posted 08/31/2019  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really nice pick-up @tdz. Do you think that the flan was undersized to the die or was a small amount of silver harvested from this coin by trimming the edge?
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 Posted 08/31/2019  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I think I will live to regret this purchase...

Are you afraid you paid too much, concerned about its authenticity, or as Spence suggests worried that it's been clipped, and will come back from NGC certified as genuine but with a details annotation?

Colligo ergo sum
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08/31/2019 12:53 pm
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 Posted 08/31/2019  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a coin that came through the NGC-eBay service rated as "likely genuine" before I bid on it, but some forum members have identified other coins listed later by this seller as definitely fake. The devices and legends are very true compared to those on authentic coins, as best I can tell from looking at examples from recent auction sales, but the condition (and price) are a little too good to be true (not that it was cheap).








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 Posted 09/01/2019  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It will be interesting to see what NGC thinks. Besides the harsh cleaning something just feels a bit off. The bread and head details seem very finely detailed for a coin in this era.
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 Posted 09/03/2019  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh my gosh! I know the style of that counterfeiter!
















Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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 Posted 09/03/2019  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All these coins are'nt genuine......
Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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09/03/2019 2:22 pm
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 Posted 09/03/2019  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is with no doubt genuine Lithuanian 1555 groat. Compare it. https://wcn.pl/eauctions/180621/det...a-grosz-1555
Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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 Posted 09/04/2019  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had remembered your post with those coins with the dark, uneven patina. But I did not remember the 1555 was one of them

I had compared it with this higher grade example on CoinArchives: https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...81d6b2ed3b67 I should have been suspicious of the sharper details.

... and I had used the NGC-eBay service before bidding, and received an opinion of "likely genuine."
So hopefully I can get a refund ... maybe from two places.

And if not... lesson learned.
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09/04/2019 2:16 pm
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 Posted 09/05/2019  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KaiserSoze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How does this ebay NGC test even work? Some guy from NGC takes a look at the pics in the listings?
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 Posted 09/07/2019  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that's exactly how it works.
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 Posted 09/10/2019  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KaiserSoze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for clearing that up
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 Posted 09/22/2019  09:32 am  Show Profile   Check beem's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add beem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
tdziemia, thanks for the info. I didn't know this service existed. I almost want to list my undergraded PCGS Ducaton on ebay and then get NGC's opinion on it. :D
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 Posted 09/30/2019  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Worst possible outcome: Not Suitable for Certification

If I had gotten "Likely Not Authentic" I could have returned it.

That's more than one lesson learned
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