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Is There A Slanted 5 Variation On The 1975-D LMC ?

 
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 Posted 09/07/2019  4:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was looking through a few rolls of one cent LMC's, when I noticed the angle on the 5 in the date. I checked others I had and could not find another one. Is this a variation or an illusion ?

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 Posted 09/07/2019  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking coin roller machine damage.
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 Posted 09/07/2019  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where are the hit marks ?

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on the right side of the 5
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I'm not seeing any evidence of metal movement on either of them. #1 does seem to show a slant.
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 Posted 09/07/2019  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Normal coin with possible machine damage.
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 Posted 09/07/2019  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are two more photos.
The first one is a side by side comparison.
The second is a transparent overlay. Notice how the date match perfectly except for the 5.

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 Posted 09/07/2019  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting...
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if that was made with a die then there must be 100,000 or more of them
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Yes I agree, I just don't see any physical damage to the area around the 5.

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Nick10 could you copy the photo and place a marker where you see the hit on the right of the 5 ?
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Note on image #3 and #4, the one on the date is not vertical on both coins. So they are not rotated correctly.
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The 5 digit shows scrape marks that run SSW to NNE within the area circled in light blue. Machines that roll coins scrape coins in that general area, often more deeply such that they also leave scrapes in the fields. During that contact metal can be pushed such that a device is distorted. Find an example without a scrape on the digit in question and you'll have something of note.
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 Posted 09/10/2019  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nick10;

The coin you show as damaged by roll wrapper is the normal looking 5. The other coin has the leaning 5 without any marks.

Coop;
I see what you say about the 1's. But in the transparent overlay, I took new photos and the 197 are aligned right on top of each other.

I'm sure you are all right, it just looks odd in hand.
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Oh, your original post shows pics from different coins? Since you didn't mention that I figured all pics were of the same coin.

So the first pic is the coin in question? On that coin I don't see any obvious damage on the 5, just an array of random small hits as on the other digits. I can't recall seeing similar on any other 75D but I'll recheck the ones I have.
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